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Posted 09 August 2013 - 03:03 PM

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QUOTE (jonlsl @ Jul 22 2013, 06:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do the coating, and use an LSP wax on top of that is the best. Just because you have a coating doesn't mean you can be lazy (even though its marketed that way, which I think is personally wrong at best you can be slightly lazy only), its more like more insurance from wear and tear as you have more sacrificial layers before you get to the CC. \

Since its a white or silver get either OC 2.0 or a high quality glass/quartz coat.

Cheapest option is to get OC2.0 and DIY.

Do you do claying and polishing before applying wax on top of the coating?
Will polishing reduce the durability of the coating?

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 04:27 PM

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QUOTE (CoffeeDude @ Aug 9 2013, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you do claying and polishing before applying wax on top of the coating?
Will polishing reduce the durability of the coating?


Upon applied coating, you may still perform your 'regular' maintenance as you mentioned...the different is you are now HAVING a much more well protected/smoother/cleaner surface.

Whether to wash + clay + wax , or wash + clay + polish + wax or wash + wax is depend on the paintwork condition.

For me it depend on mood, sometime suka suka hati i will just wash + wax or wash + wax + sealant or wash + sealant...even sometime i will just waterless wash the car + top up with wax or sealant (or both)....

If you feel your surface no longer smooth or slick...maybe clay or clay + polish is needed.

Remember, coating doesn't mean your paintwork will be invincible....

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 04:44 PM

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I have a dark coloured car and water marks is my biggest problem.
If i've coating and add wax as the LSP, will it stop water marks?

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 05:37 PM

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QUOTE (CoffeeDude @ Aug 9 2013, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have a dark coloured car and water marks is my biggest problem.
If i've coating and add wax as the LSP, will it stop water marks?


answer is no BUT with coating (or better sufface protection) , the changes of watermark build up will be slightly slower and they are easier to be wash off (still doesn't mean u can wash lesser) since any watermark left over once contacted with heat/sun...it will start etch to the protection...

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 07:37 PM

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QUOTE (CoffeeDude @ Aug 9 2013, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you do claying and polishing before applying wax on top of the coating?
Will polishing reduce the durability of the coating?

That depends on the aggressiveness of the polish used.... smile_tongue.gif

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 11:14 PM

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QUOTE (CoffeeDude @ Aug 9 2013, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have a dark coloured car and water marks is my biggest problem.
If i've coating and add wax as the LSP, will it stop water marks?

Most of the coatings I tried are actually more proned to hard watermarks (those that can't be removed by normal shampoo wash) as compared to traditional waxes/sealants. Maybe it's because those watermarks can be washed off together with the portion of the waxes/sealants on top. As the coatings are more 'permanent' in nature, they would need a harsher method to remove, i.e. chemically or mechanically. I've only found one coating that was able to withstand the chemical that I'm using to remove the watermarks, without compromising it's beading/sheeting properties. The others just can't take that sort of abuse.

If your concern is just watermarks, topping up a coating with waxes/sealant would be an option, but IMHO, it's a bit of a waste as:

1. Waxes/sealants on a good quality coating won't last a long as on bare paint so you'd need to top up more often than normal.
2. My experience in using spray wax/sealant is that they are even more prone to watermarks. Maybe the coating has some effect on it's bonding/strength.

Which comes to the question: why use a coating that is inferior to wax/sealant (strictly speaking in term of protection against watermarks only)?

Of course, a good quality coating does give that 'extra' layer of protection against harm to the cleat coat IF the wax/sealant failed, but it would negate the convenience of having the coating when we have to double the effort in protecting the coating itself. Not to mention spending the extra for the coating when we still need to spend the same amount (or maybe more) for the wax/sealant....

Hrrmmm...I'm not making any sense again, am I.....

Anyway, the only way to find out is to try it yourself la (though it would be quite an expensive task to do). One thing that is definite though, don't take the words/reviews of the 'mat salleh'. Our weather/environment here are far different from them and, most of the time they just don't work as good as they say. Also, careful with our local seller/dealer/distributor....well....you know how most of them do business...

OK...I'm just in one of those negative moods tonight, so just don't take my blabering too seriously la. Just one of 'those days'....hehehe

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 11:37 PM

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QUOTE (CoffeeDude @ Aug 9 2013, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you do claying and polishing before applying wax on top of the coating?
Will polishing reduce the durability of the coating?

Yes polishing will reduce the durability of the coating as there are abrasives in polishes thus you are abrading the coating away. Remember coatings are very very thin by nature.

There for the most you should ever do for a coating is to paint clean using an only chemical based paint cleaner. These products only clean the paint chemically and has no abrasives. Like for instance Klasse AIO or Duragloss 501 are chemical based non abrasive chemical cleaners cum sealants thus being called AIO. Not all AIO are chemical based, some do have abrasives. If the bottle doesn't mention then you would have to ask the manufacturer. But for ease of getting a product, with good performance just get DG501 kow tim.

NO you don't have to clay and paint clean the coating before apply the wax. Remember the more you clay and polish the coating the more abrasions the coating will have to with stand even though its by hand. Usually you should only clay and paint clean a car with coating every 4-6 months. If you live in very bad conditions every 3 months the most.

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 12:37 PM

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I have to admit I'm now more confused than before smile_big.gif

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 02:55 PM

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Sifu, is that a correct step to polish the car ?
Coat > wax > sealant
is that a correct step ? =)

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 04:47 PM

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QUOTE (loweilun @ Aug 10 2013, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sifu, is that a correct step to polish the car ?
Coat > wax > sealant
is that a correct step ? =)

Polish- Wash, Clay, Polish

Seal - Coat, Sealant, Wax that is if you are coating, if not, sealant then wax.