[Tourist]

Couldn't agreed more on this, it's not that UMW Toyota claimed the car come with VSC while supplied car that doesn't have VSC, owner already know this but still bought the car, so now what to persuade ? 1st batch Forte come with 4 speeds GB so should they persuade NAZA give them 6 speeds GB for free ? Or K5 owner ask for free Nu engine ? Some people r really ridiculous.

Do you think I should also complain to Toyota my 20 year old car also have no VSC?

[Breadman]

I am all for consumer protection. We are the small guys, aren't we? But I suspect if we were to read carefully the papers we signed upon the purchase of the car we will find that the distributor/dealer basically got their asses very well covered. David vs Goliath, Goliath win.

[Tourist]

I am all for consumer protection. We are the small guys, aren't we? But I suspect if we were to read carefully the papers we signed upon the purchase of the car we will find that the distributor/dealer basically got their asses very well covered. David vs Goliath, Goliath win.

Not in this case. In this particular case of VSC, the buyer has nobody else to blame but themselves.

Ever since the very 1st day this version Camry was launched, Toyota already clearly said there are no VSC. Toyota did not hide this fact.

The Internet and in this very forum people were complaining like hell the lack of VSC. People already bashed Toyota for removing such an important feature and many called for boycott of this Camry.

Yet there are people wanting to buy. AFTER they have bought it, only then they complain the lack of VSC.

Like I said, while we feel sorry for the buyer for paying so much for so little, they have nobody else to blame but themselves.

[S40]

Not in this case. In this particular case of VSC, the buyer has nobody else to blame but themselves.

Ever since the very 1st day this version Camry was launched, Toyota already clearly said there are no VSC. Toyota did not hide this fact.

The Internet and in this very forum people were complaining like hell the lack of VSC. People already bashed Toyota for removing such an important feature and many called for boycott of this Camry.

Yet there are people wanting to buy. AFTER they have bought it, only then they complain the lack of VSC.

Like I said, while we feel sorry for the buyer for paying so much for so little, they have nobody else to blame but themselves.

Seriously speaking... there is no one to blame but the buyers themselves. It's an offer and acceptance. For that period, Camry came out without VSC etc. Hence, people who buys it have already accepted the fact that they will be getting their vehicles WITHOUT VSC.

To write and complain to Toyota HQ or M'sia, is like saying "why he's car is more beautiful than my car"...

Agree with this point made here!

[amir]

Seriously speaking... there is no one to blame but the buyers themselves. It's an offer and acceptance. For that period, Camry came out without VSC etc. Hence, people who buys it have already accepted the fact that they will be getting their vehicles WITHOUT VSC.

To write and complain to Toyota HQ or M'sia, is like saying "why he's car is more beautiful than my car"...

Agree with this point made here!

Betul betul betul...

My principle is always whenever I feel like buying a new car, make sure I don't really need that new car (assuming my current ride is in tip top condition). It refrains me from making hasty decisions. Then again, its heart or mind over matters.

[gedebe]

Is there any form of manipulation during the sales of the car. Though I've to admit that we can't blame Toyota if everything already being put into B&W but still I have a sense of distrust on UMW + Toyota that they don't go all the way in making you well inform.
Remember the Prius brake issues that hit US.

[Tourist]

Is there any form of manipulation during the sales of the car. Though I've to admit that we can't blame Toyota if everything already being put into B&W but still I have a sense of distrust on UMW + Toyota that they don't go all the way in making you well inform.
Remember the Prius brake issues that hit US.

It's a OPEN secret Camry doesn't have VSC. It's simply not listed in the brochure. Of course, they did not put BIG words on front page of brochure "This car has NO VSC" screening in red.

[Breadman]

If there is no misrepresentation then the seller has no case to answer.

[jolokia]

It's a OPEN secret Camry doesn't have VSC. It's simply not listed in the brochure. Of course, they did not put BIG words on front page of brochure "This car has NO VSC" screening in red.

I know seller will put No MSG, No Artificial Coloring, No Sugar, But i have not seen car seller put up

Warning : No VSC Buy At Your Own Risk

Or

Prius have brake problem, Buy At Your Own Risk

Come on lah ! Which car manufacturer actually do that ?

You advertise what u have, not what u don't have (unless what u don't have is good).

[jayraptor]

Not true Altis actually lost to Civic during that time as Civic have much sporty looks & better GB, nothing to do with Korean car, those day only Avante & Spectra which nobody want & end up throwing huge discount.
NASA also did the same thing, first batch Forte only coms with 4 speed GB, then instantly change to 6 speed GB, same go K5 change their engine from Theta2 to Nu why don't u go bising in lowyat forum ?
U think mfg care what lowyat forum said ah.? Most of those forum member there can't afford Camry, there just make noise like crow.

Your brain only limited to local is it? People look into overall where Forte was competing with Altis in Singapore, Australia, NZ, US and even China and Cambodia. In Singaland, Forte was once ranked 3rd best seller. Even here, Forte was in top10 list every month from 2010 until 2010 and also 2011 until Elantra MD appeared.

Toyota only reacts by then to counter Forte by giving more quality parts such as improved suspension, new dual VVTi engine and new gearbox in FL. Toyota doesn't look at Honda as main threat as it lacks the tough suspension, durability and reliability to survive rough road condition. Hyundai-Kia do and they can be used in hot desert with harsh condition.

Hyundai-Kia 6AT gearbox was still in development in Tucson ix35 prototype when Forte already done testing and entered production. That time they sourced their gearbox from JATCO, yet they are willing to buy the stronger more advanced 4AT at its time in 2004 fitted in Elantra '06, Cerato '06, Ceed '06, i30 '06 followed by Forte that first sold in Korea in 2008 and then elsewhere in 2009.