Improved Camry 2013

Forte r no where need Corolla even in world stage, morever during 2008.

Singapore is sesame market for car, in case u forget.

Toyota couldn't even car care less what ever Forte offer, Honda Civic is selling pretty well in middel east, get your fact right boy.

Stronger 4AT wakakakaka

I understand the frustrations of the 1st batch owners, but there's nothing much you can do I guess.

I don't know its a Toyota thing, or a Malaysian way of business thing (UMW).

Its a bit of chicken and egg situation, UMW or Toyota fully knows that Malaysian buyers are damn conservative, who mostly look at Honda or Toyota only, this results in their strong resale value. It has got to their heads that whatever junk they sell in Malaysia, it still sell because of their brand.

That is why Toyota in Malaysia severely compromised what it offers to the Malaysian buyers, such as this VSC for Camry, or for my Vios, the J Spec without airbag, even without intermitten wiper.

Toyota is generally a good and reliable car, the only way Malaysians want better value for money from Toyota is to have a paradigm shift in their thinking, be more willing to really go for other brands, try Koreans, they are good cars as well.

Toyota will only CHANGE when their sales suffer. If they still sell strongly, you can expect this nonsense of Toyota maximizing their profit for Malaysian market. Do you think Toyota dares to employ same strategy they use in Malaysia in Europe or US?

What is the cause of the problem here? I blame both UMW / Toyota and Malaysian buyers as well (me included), for looking at brand name to ensure resale value. This Malaysian way of thinking had caused Toyota to be arrogant and cocky


P/S - I am owner of 2008 Vios, if Toyota remains the same, I gurantee you I will never buy them again when I change car. I will seriously consider Korean. We are seeing so many Korean cars on the road past couple of years, I am pretty sure their Resale Value would have improved considerably.

Can you believe it, the 3rd generation Vios (about to be launched in Malaysia soon), still shares the same engine as the original 2003 model (and also 2008 model). Very likely they also share the same 4 speed auto gearbox.
Sorry to say, but this is complete bullsh*t. Its not like this is a masterpiece engine, whereby some tweaking can be acceptable. It may be a good engine in 2003, in 2008 it already lacks behind its competitors in terms of smoothness or horsepower. And now in 2013,...it is a dinosaur primitive engine.
Toyota in a way is becoming like Proton of old.

Hahahaha, I can almost hear it now : "Ini macam kita buat bisnes. Takde suka ? Keluar!". All buyers of camry or altis or vios must know that you are getting the old stuff when you buy the low-end variants. "Buyer beware" should be the norm. otherwise, just follow the crowd and be quiet. If you can afford it, go for the highest spec e,g, camry 2.5, altis 2.0 or vios s, where you get more goodies.

Of course, ultimately, we need to :
1) screw the AP rent-seekrs out of the system.
2) as well as the biggest grandmother of welfare - f*cking Pr*t*n
without these jokers, car industry are would look more normal, like the rest of the world

Dear all,

No need to !@#$% here, they got CAR, we got MONEY, if Spec no good, then dont buy lah. I guess TYT Malaysia has done 2 real good cases to the customer

1. Altis facelift 2009 and face lift again in 2010 for new engine + new CVT, I got screw by them during then..damn pissed off...
2. Camry 2011 and camry 2013, with and without VSC.

Perhaps we are the minority customer who are aware of the changes and majority of the buyer do not care about the spec that car manufacturer provide?

OR there are some smart ass in the company try to proof that he can sell ANY product using the strong brand name alone, but the fact is that, the sales figure reveal the acid test and DAMAGES done to the company....

5 yrs ago a Camry 2.4 had taxes+duty wort of almost RM70,000 when the car is priced not more than RM160,000. this means actual car price incl FIT+profit is only about RM90,000.
Things do not differ much by now.
some ppl may say national cars are taxed just as much (custom excise)

UMW was forced to sell the car at a higher price. so as not to compete directly with national cars. like Vios against Persona. Or Camry against Perdana or Inspira/Preve.

it is obvious in other markets, Persona/Waja was sold at about the same price like a Focus 1.6 or Golf 1.6 meaning actually only in Malaysia the popular makes are 'forced' to sell higher, by adjusted price. the non so popular cars like Kia & Hyundai are allowed to sell cheaper.

Toyota has no issue to install VSC for 2 previous Camrys (ACV30 and ACV40 series) without waiting until facelift.
latest camry has proven its capability to hold on the road well despite driven at high speed without losing control as evident during its launch at Sepang track.

VCS or Electronic Stability Program will only come useful on super slippery surface like snow or black ice. even in raining condition, ABS alone would be more than enough, unless the car is driven at a stupidly high speed in 'S' bend or all tyres totally worn out (botak habis).

In actual day to day drive (dry surface, good tyre surface, reasonable speed or bumper-to-bumper crawl) we will not need ESP. it will never be activated.

I remember watching a video. It shows a car driven at highway speed behind a loaded lorry on a highway. Suddenly, a box from the lorry drops onto the path of that car and the car has to take immediate evasive action by swaying. But at that speed, without VSC, chances of that car losing control is extremely high.

VSC is not there so that one can drive faster. It is there to prevent accident like what that video shows.

good said,
we do not need 7 air bags, but once accident..... its safe your life.

Are all Malaysia roads quality are same as Sepang track? If you loose control of your car (without VCS), you will tell the world how important that to have VCS installed and it does save your life (If you survive). Not at stupidly high speed, just at 90 km, the Camry (without VCS) loose control.

agreed. we do not ASB everyday, but when you need it, it HAS to be there!

I remember a long long time ago, there was this advertorial from UMW T promoting the advancement of VSC on their Altis that the stun man just couldnt do anythings on Altis because it has the VSC in place.

And now....the so call car maker said we "actually" do not need it, so why they promote to the public at the first place? Perhaps the camry has superior engineering from the land of rising sun that make it do without the VSC??