[jayraptor]

Teana 2.0L vs Sonata YF 2.0L
Should I take the high spec or low spec Sonata 2.0L?
Price of Teana is to add RM5k after 200units sold, therefore, it is direct competitor to Sonata 2.0 high specs or both.

Teana engine MR20DE undersquare
Intake only valve timing control
output : 136ps@5600rpm
torque : 190Nm@4400rpm
acceleration 0-100km/h : 12s
pulling power : No lag and Teana is not built for performance, just normal cruiser, just slow in acceleration.
FC : If 230kg lighter Sylphy 2.0L is getting 9.0-9.4km/L, the heavier Teana is getting higher FC than that, estimated 8.8-9.0km/L

Sonata YF engine Theta II square
Intake & Exhaust Valve Timing Control with Variable Air Intake Control
output : 165ps@6200rpm (with over-rev tech)
torque : 198.8Nm@4600rpm
acceleration 0-100km/h : 10.8s
pulling power : Much pulling power in arsenal, can be cruiser or accelerator. Pedal comes with 2 to 3 modes with its sensor detecting driver's attitude. Can go for either Hard Spin, pulling power or cruising depends on how driver floor the pedal.
FC : Wonder why some would even dare to say Sonata FC will not be better than Teana? The older Sonata NF beats T, H & N brands D-segment in FC at 9.2-9.6km/L. Besides, the Cefiro V6 is known to have poor FC at 6.7km/L and the previous Teana 2.0L (using X-Trail 2.0L powertrain) available in Singapore is not faring that good neither. Sonata YF is claimed to have better FC than older Sonata NF with dual CVVT, so even though it's tuned higher, its FC is still better. Sonata YF wins in terms of FC.

>> Sonata is technically more advanced with dual valve timing control and variable air intake system to minimise FC and improve performance. Comes with over-rev tech.

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Practicality test:
- Bootspace : Teana bigger but Sonata YF is not too far away
- Sonata comes with 60:40 split fold
- Sonata is using hydraulic power power steering, even if it failed, it can still be steered.
- N brand EPS is known to have overheating problem and would not be able to steer if overheating.
- Sonata comes with manual key override should the pushstart button or the keyless entry fails, there is still backup to open door and start engine with key.
- Teana relies heavily on electrical power to open doors with keyless, start engine with pushstart button and open boot with key. If battery dead, the owner can't even open the door what else its boot.
- Sonata ground clearance is standard at 150mm, met requirement to go over humps, potholes, etc.
- Teana ground clearance is 140mm, going through hump could be troublesome.

>> Sonata wins in terms of Practicality

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Exterior
Teana
wheelbase 2775mm
width 1795mm
height 1480mm
kerb weight 1455kg

Sonata
wheelbase 2795mm
width 1835mm
height 1470mm
kerb weight 1404kg

>> Can tell that Sonata YF used more materials to build compared to boxy Teana with plain empty sides. Cars that are wider with more shapes require more materials to build. Exterior design, Sonata resembles more of German makes whereas Teana resembles German + typical Japs DNA, like patching N16 front design and Latio/Sylphy side design onto Merc E-Class

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Interior, NVH & (evaluated with max number of passengers):
interior width rear : Teana wins
Headroom space : Teana wins
Legroom space : Sonata YF wins
Interior design : Sonata wins, looks & feels like BMW. Teana interior looks dull and plain but comes with nice soft touch and comfort.
Noise level : At higher than 3000rpm, Teana is more quiet. Sonata YF will roar hard at higher than 3000rpm due to highly overtuned because it can. At below 3000rpm, both are quiet. No jerks in shifting gear for both cars.
Suspension ride : Sonata comes with sports suspension with comfort wheras Teana comes with soft suspension. Comfort of going over humps and potholes, Teana wins but Sonata is not too bad despite having stiffer sports suspension.
Suspension ride when taking corner : more body rolls in Teana compared to Sonata when taking hard corner.

>> Only thing is that Sonata sacrificed some space on design reducing interior width and height despite having smaller interior width that is slightly bigger than Forte that is adequate enough for 3 full size adults at the back. Hopefully Optima has bigger interior due to less fluidic design.

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Final verdict:
Those who wanted to go for practicality, good FC and long term use with reliability & durability, go for Sonata YF. Too much electronics without failsafe in Teana, more worries unless N brand could prepare more mechanical failsafe. For short term like Honda, can go for Teana before warranty ends. Sonata looks more grand like perfected Merc CLS

[darreltian]

Conclusion U R a Korean Car Salesman

alamak halem and haleman

[rabpaul]

Conclusion U R a Korean Car Salesman

So what if he is, he still provided a lot of information for the TS to make an informed decision.
Too bad we don't have a Japanese (or Nissan) Car Salesman to counter.

[trijuta]

Teana 2.0L vs Sonata YF 2.0L
Should I take the high spec or low spec Sonata 2.0L?
Price of Teana is to add RM5k after 200units sold, therefore, it is direct competitor to Sonata 2.0 high specs or both.

Teana engine MR20DE undersquare
Intake only valve timing control
output : 136ps@5600rpm
torque : 190Nm@4400rpm
acceleration 0-100km/h : 12s
pulling power : No lag and Teana is not built for performance, just normal cruiser, just slow in acceleration.
FC : If 230kg lighter Sylphy 2.0L is getting 9.0-9.4km/L, the heavier Teana is getting higher FC than that, estimated 8.8-9.0km/L

Sonata YF engine Theta II square
Intake & Exhaust Valve Timing Control with Variable Air Intake Control
output : 165ps@6200rpm (with over-rev tech)
torque : 198.8Nm@4600rpm
acceleration 0-100km/h : 10.8s
pulling power : Much pulling power in arsenal, can be cruiser or accelerator. Pedal comes with 2 to 3 modes with its sensor detecting driver's attitude. Can go for either Hard Spin, pulling power or cruising depends on how driver floor the pedal.
FC : Wonder why some would even dare to say Sonata FC will not be better than Teana? The older Sonata NF beats T, H & N brands D-segment in FC at 9.2-9.6km/L. Besides, the Cefiro V6 is known to have poor FC at 6.7km/L and the previous Teana 2.0L (using X-Trail 2.0L powertrain) available in Singapore is not faring that good neither. Sonata YF is claimed to have better FC than older Sonata NF with dual CVVT, so even though it's tuned higher, its FC is still better. Sonata YF wins in terms of FC.

>> Sonata is technically more advanced with dual valve timing control and variable air intake system to minimise FC and improve performance. Comes with over-rev tech.

------------------------------------------------------------
Practicality test:
- Bootspace : Teana bigger but Sonata YF is not too far away
- Sonata comes with 60:40 split fold
- Sonata is using hydraulic power power steering, even if it failed, it can still be steered.
- N brand EPS is known to have overheating problem and would not be able to steer if overheating.
- Sonata comes with manual key override should the pushstart button or the keyless entry fails, there is still backup to open door and start engine with key.
- Teana relies heavily on electrical power to open doors with keyless, start engine with pushstart button and open boot with key. If battery dead, the owner can't even open the door what else its boot.
- Sonata ground clearance is standard at 150mm, met requirement to go over humps, potholes, etc.
- Teana ground clearance is 140mm, going through hump could be troublesome.

>> Sonata wins in terms of Practicality

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Exterior
Teana
wheelbase 2775mm
width 1795mm
height 1480mm
kerb weight 1455kg

Sonata
wheelbase 2795mm
width 1835mm
height 1470mm
kerb weight 1404kg

>> Can tell that Sonata YF used more materials to build compared to boxy Teana with plain empty sides. Cars that are wider with more shapes require more materials to build. Exterior design, Sonata resembles more of German makes whereas Teana resembles German + typical Japs DNA, like patching N16 front design and Latio/Sylphy side design onto Merc E-Class

-----------------------------------------------------------
Interior, NVH & (evaluated with max number of passengers):
interior width rear : Teana wins
Headroom space : Teana wins
Legroom space : Sonata YF wins
Interior design : Sonata wins, looks & feels like BMW. Teana interior looks dull and plain but comes with nice soft touch and comfort.
Noise level : At higher than 3000rpm, Teana is more quiet. Sonata YF will roar hard at higher than 3000rpm due to highly overtuned because it can. At below 3000rpm, both are quiet. No jerks in shifting gear for both cars.
Suspension ride : Sonata comes with sports suspension with comfort wheras Teana comes with soft suspension. Comfort of going over humps and potholes, Teana wins but Sonata is not too bad despite having stiffer sports suspension.
Suspension ride when taking corner : more body rolls in Teana compared to Sonata when taking hard corner.

>> Only thing is that Sonata sacrificed some space on design reducing interior width and height despite having smaller interior width that is slightly bigger than Forte that is adequate enough for 3 full size adults at the back. Hopefully Optima has bigger interior due to less fluidic design.

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Final verdict:
Those who wanted to go for practicality, good FC and long term use with reliability & durability, go for Sonata YF. Too much electronics without failsafe in Teana, more worries unless N brand could prepare more mechanical failsafe. For short term like Honda, can go for Teana before warranty ends. Sonata looks more grand like perfected Merc CLS

Nice comparison..! This is wht reader wanna knows.. I normally don't recognize korean cars, even never step in the showroom..until 1 day korean cars really catch my attention..I think to be fare for both, Teana & Sonata YF shouldn't show their brand at the first place..and lets ppl vote which one is the best after tested..so tht ppl wouldn't judge them by carrying the "brand"..we cannot too "die hard" on a certain brand no matter T,H,N,Hy,P..etc. it will limited your choice. every year new car/tech are coming out and can't always compare with their old history/old tech and judge it "This brand will NEVER build a good car" or "The brand already conquer the ppl heart, NEVER make mistake"..no mistake; no improve!..

For those who concern about the FC - buy small car.
For those who concern about the performance - buy sport car.
For those who concern about the poor after sale service - hmmm.. well, go to take an Automotive course..
For those who concern about the comfort - wrap "comforter" while driving..
For those who concern about the quality/durability - let the "time" tell you..not from friend/auntie/uncle/relative/SA..other ppl..etc said so..
For those who concern about the 2nd hand value - stick wth yr current car. don't sell the car so "2nd hand value" not exist..
For those who concern about the car disappreciate - if someone can sell their old car higher than the purchase price after few years do let's us know ya..

Non of the brand can guarantee the mention above..so, just live with it..
Spending/budget a RM140k+- for a car of cause need a maximum deal & worth the $.. except for those royal to a certain brand..

cheer.. ..

[trijuta]

Cool!! found some example to support my point..don't show badge.. check this out..

[fox68]

Not all Japs makes have good resale value. Only those that either have proper acceptable looks with proven reliability, durability & practicality or having good performance and handling. Those that failed either one would end up getting poor resale value.

- Sylphy dropped more than RM20k in less than 1 year, is the resale value good?

- Forte's resale value confirmed good, depreciation is acceptable at about RM6k to RM8k per annum.

- Rush & Unser resale value bad

- Latio resale value not that good as well compared to Vios and City, drop at more than RM10k a year, saw few pending sales too long that even N16 is doing better.

- Camry, Altis, Wish, Stream, yes these resale value are good

The Teana, I'll comment after I've checked it. Wait for my comment

Bro Raptor,

Korean makes are not high in 2nd hand value is due to public perception and the distributors slashing prices every month (previously) and lousy after sales service. The new Forte and YF Sonata inc. Tucson is changing that perception though and with the new Elantra and Kia Sorento coming soon, Jap distributors will need to rethink strategy, maybe not HM cos they are quite firm in their sales and also TC cos they think they're longer in the market, hence can weather all opposition.

Kia Forte value's have not dropped cos its still new and there's a long waiting list, so ppl shd not be concerned with this model..however I've not seen the Chevy Cruze that likeable or selling in droves like the Forte eventhough it supposed to compete directly with the 2.0 Forte. Expect the Inspira to start eating the sales...Lancer resale prices are dropping, cos many owners are changing to other brands and models cannot tahan ppl comparing their Lancer to the local one

You forgot that City, Civic and that piece of tin, Vios is commanding very high prices in the used market now..while Camry prices have dropped (due to YF Sonata, maybe), 2.0-2.4 models are in the 100k-120k, 03-06', as I was surveying around for a bigger car for a friend. Managed to get a '06 2.4 Camry selling at 120k..also saw many 07-10 Civics as well. Dunno why, maybe they heard of the new Civic coming?

Btw, Wish(es) on forecourt are being sold below 100k now..recon new, 03-05 models while the 06-07 are selling below 120k, depending on spec. Best is to get one outside KL/Selangor, prefferably NS or Johor. Stream still can fetch high price as not many want to sell and waiting list is longer than a Forte. (sorry, had to add tht one!) Accord still going strong in used market too..many wannabes, perhaps?

[sunyatsen]

For whatever reasons it is, I will only take the comments from the sik siu siu pan toi piu with a pinch of salt. It is his personal opinion anyway. Most of the things highligted are not verified. Good example is that Teana made of lesser materials (on what basis???). Better engine technology (in what sense??? His personal benchmark???) If one reads carefully and observed this sinka's comments all over the forum, you will find that he is very bias for the Korean mades. Nevertheless, some Nissan product planning or engineers should just come out and counter his arguments from the technical point of view.

Honestly, people are not stupid to be swayed by a few technical terms. For the sinka's information, people nowadays are much smarter to make informed decisions. A simple test drive will reveal the truth!!!

[paulkky]

For whatever reasons it is, I will only take the comments from the sik siu siu pan toi piu with a pinch of salt. It is his personal opinion anyway. Most of the things highligted are not verified. Good example is that Teana made of lesser materials (on what basis???). Better engine technology (in what sense??? His personal benchmark???) If one reads carefully and observed this sinka's comments all over the forum, you will find that he is very bias for the Korean mades. Nevertheless, some Nissan product planning or engineers should just come out and counter his arguments from the technical point of view.

Honestly, people are not stupid to be swayed by a few technical terms. For the sinka's information, people nowadays are much smarter to make informed decisions. A simple test drive will reveal the truth!!!

Well said .......

Anyway, as u said ..a simple test drive will speak..( i have done multiple test drive on both cars..)...of cos all cars got their Pros & Cons,....but bias of one make...is not good..SINKA..hahahaha

If they said Nissan Teana outlook is no good...just have a look at some of this bodykitted Teana (just use some imagination)...Cheers

[sylphy04]

front view...

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[ongwc5]

Well said .......

Anyway, as u said ..a simple test drive will speak..( i have done multiple test drive on both cars..)...of cos all cars got their Pros & Cons,....but bias of one make...is not good..SINKA..hahahaha

If they said Nissan Teana outlook is no good...just have a look at some of this bodykitted Teana (just use some imagination)...Cheers

ongwc5,

As long as you can see, touch and know some basic maths with experience as driver and passenger, I'm sure you can bring few friends with you to try out the cars in every aspect. Unless you don't own driving license or that you are too rich and don't mind buy a car use for short term then dispose before the problem could even appear.
Even those who don't have driving license but have passion and knowledge for cars can still get proper evaluation on cars.

The SSSPTP may not agree & start argue with u ha!