[spana]

DO YOU HAVE ANY NEW DATE FOR PROMOTION ANYWHERE IN KL ??? I'M INTERESTED.
JUST BOUGHT A USED AUTO 1.6 WIRA.

[cjoon]

Hello!

I've been reading this thread with much interest. I'm quite keen on anti-
theft devices for automobiles. Would just like to comment on this one,
LockTech. I've a friend (driving a Toyota Vios) whom I believe has
installed LocTech on his vehicle. I believe it could act as a deterrent
to a certain degree. Not all thieves are willing to spend extra time
overcoming that mechanical hurdle, or drive around at 30kmh on the roads.
However we're speaking of those 'quickie' type thieves who have some sort
of time constraint. (read: Gone in 60 seconds)

But if you're planning to leave the car there for a long time, then the
thief will be at leisure to overcome this one. I'm not an expert but,
this one is a keyed lock. I'm sure a real expert lock-picker will have no
problems with it. Or someone who's figured out the lock and has a
masterkey.

I've checked out the website. I'll be gracious enough not to point out
some grammatical errors *grin* What interests me is the fact the
webmaster shouts about LockTech being made of stainless steel. I'll be
quick to point out, stainless steel is not invincible but sufficiently
strong enough for the job I suppose. Then again, it depends on the method
the thief selects to cut (if he decides to cut it at all).

If he's going for the torch, I doubt any material will last pretty long.
According to my 'Handbook for Mechanical Engineers' there are over 200
grades of stainless steel, each with varying physical properties. Care to
mention which is used? Anyway an oxy-acetelyne torch can reach up to 6000
deg Fahrenheit/ 3315 deg Celsius. It will cut through! Hmmmm... Sawing
will definitely take more time, but its not impossible either. You'll be
amazed at the cutting tools available nowadays, anything from rm5 saw to
diamond grinders. Who knows which will work? And as I've said again, the
worst thing would be some lock-pick master analyzing the key system and
producing some sort of master-key/technique. And giving it to the
street 'budak'. Then any 2-bit thief can steal the car. I'm sure most of
them are equiped with the know-how to overcome most of the commercialized
anti-theft systems!! I tell you this, they've done their homework pretty
well!

It's all about the math:

Anti-theft system manufacturer : After homework, stands to earn in the
regions of RM100+ for each unit sold.

Thief: After homework, stands to earn a clean (non taxable) profit of
RM40K++ (depends on make... actually) for each unit stolen.

Who do you think will be harder at work? And its always easier destroying
than building. The concept applies here too. Making a anti-theft system,
and destroying (disabling) it.

Anyway after watching Nicholas Cage in that damnable role (Gone in 60
Seconds) I've just realised how easy it can be for thieves to get the
car. So far, none of their methods include towing. I own a rm200+
stoplock, but after watching how cage overcome the steering lock, I'm
really starting to lose faith in it. It's in my car for 'road bully
deterrent' purposes.

I'm just wondering how often is towing used as a method in grand theft
auto? A forumer also mentioned about the collapsible steering which is
easy to cut through. I think that renders steering locks almost useless
if its true?

So far the best bet would be an immobilizer. Or something akin to the
captor system, which is really expensive tho. If they could find a way to
make it cheap and easily affordable, all those car thieves can really tar-
pao their businesses and go home. Anyway just my thought. I would rate
LockTech as a moderate form of anti-theft system. While it might work to
stop the minor, inexperienced and quick-job type thieves, I doubt it'll
prove its mettle against the determined sifus (Nicholas Cage) who'll
surely have a way to get around this system soon (if not already). Worth
the $$$ for some peace-o-mind, knowing the % of thieves with the ability
to steal ur car has been reduced. But is that enough for you??

[spkster]

cjoon, I don't think that the thief need to go to so much trouble to
break the LockTech. The bracket that fits to the steering column is
fixed by 4 bolts. But the bracket itself has some gap which exposes the
bolt. In addition, the bolt provided is short that only about 2 - 3 mm is
screwed in which is the weak point in the system.

[vuuse]

cjoon
thanks for the observations made. very valuable. we appreciate it.
even me, a working class man cant afford the monthly fees for that kind
of protection. nothing is perfect in this world. to be perfect is to
improve things continuously.

with the issue concerned, pls visit www.locktech.com.my click on
Weekly Alert! Please always buckle up your seat belts while driving.

thank you.

please insist on original LOCKTECH.



locktech.com.my

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park at your own risk!

[vuuse]

spkster
your point is true, but there is no space for a thief to saw off the
bolts.

thank you.

please insist on original LOCKTECH.



locktech.com.my

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park at your own risk!

[spkster]

vuuse,
It's not so much of sawing it off, probably more on using freon and screw
driver to break the thread on the bolt. Probably Locktech should provide
some form of "O" ring to protect the screw/bolt and provide at least 1/4"
longer bolts.

[spkster]

FNX .. movies has some form of truth in it. Many years back in college,
a friend lost his D-lock key for a bicycle. We broke it using freon.
The D-lock is made of high tensile steel like that of a padlock except
bigger and it just snapped, let alone a normal steel bolt. Not talking
about breaking the Locktech itself... just the bolt.

[FNX9718]

Dream on. How much truth is there in Luke Skywalker? None, that's why its
a movie.

If you believe high tensile steel is affected by less than -30 degrees C
then so be it. Just remember that if that were true a great deal of
machinery used in cold climates would simply fall apart.

Far from weakening a steel cooling it to the extent that Freon is able to
will increase its mechanical properties albeit very slightly.

Liquid nitrogen however will have a different effect. A bit difficult to
obtain and use though.

Don't believe me? Study some VERY basic metallurgy andprove me wrong.

[nkk]

VUUSE, When would the LockTech model for the Nissan X-Trail be available?
I received information from your personnel that the previous one that was
made available was not suitable to the local x-trail model. Please advise.
Thanks.

[nova1]

I read a post on another forum about a user of this particular model
encountered a near accident because he completely forgot to unlock the
locktech before he drove his car(auto) off. Luckily, he only managed to
stop(with no brake as it was "locked") at a junction where there was no
traffic and he was driving quite slowly at that time.

VSUU, if you are still on this thread, I suggest your company could
SERIOUISLY look into such an issue because SAFETY for the passengers and
cars cannot be compromised. I also don`t think "aftermarket" addition of
a "smart switch"(i.e., engine cannot be started without the brake being
depressed first) to "circumvent" this problem is a smart solution to
marketing your product.

On the contrary, can your company come out with a device that applies
brakes on all wheels so that without unlocking the device first, the car
is not even capable of being towed away, much less driven off? I thought
security lock "basically" means the "protected" car cannot be driven off
as a first line of defence.