EVO 7 engine in WAJA..
Posted 13 December 2004 - 12:28 PM
flywheel is more likely. For a 170+hp at wheel, you will be churning out
200+hp at flywheel, thats even more than gsr turbo or vr4 200 already.
Even newer engines from toyota altezza with rated 220hp on flywheel only
churned out 160hp on wheel (this was tested at gt auto's dyno test). My
previous engine was a 1.8 4g93 before converting to 1.8 mivec after I've
sold it to a friend. It sucked. It coudn't match a stock 1.8 gsr turbo
rated at 180hp on flywheel.
If you know where to source evo parts, it can be cheap. I've recently
replaced my evo mountings for the same price as a proton 1.3 mounting, and
thats brand new.
For your budget (complete transplant), here's what I recommend :-
1. Evo 5 halfcut (without body parts - u can't use those bumpers,
headlights etc anyway) - RM8k
2. Overhaul - RM2k
3. Workmanship cost - RM2k
4. Brakes - evo twin ports is more than enough - RM600
5. suspension - rg coilover - RM1.5k
total = 14+k for whole transplant with proper brakes & suspension.
result - 280hp on flywheel / 210-220hp on wheel
compared to 1.8 mivec hybrid
1. halfcut + 4g93 block - RM6k
2. Overhaul - RM2k
3. Workmanship - RM2k
4. Engine management ie. Vafc - RM1600 (new)
5. Brakes - evo twin ports - RM600
6. suspension - rg coilovers - RM1.5k
total = 13+k for whole transplant with proper brakes & suspension
result - 160-170hp on flywheel / 120-130 on wheel
A 160-170hp mivec vs. a 280hp evo? It is pretty obvious which one performs
Posted 13 December 2004 - 12:58 PM
no for me i dont want a VERY powerfull car...i just wanted a powerful
i to be honest i dont want to use turbo charge engines...because
according to my frinds...the maintainence is very high...
Posted 13 December 2004 - 06:15 PM
Yup, a stock 1.8 Mivec won't put out 170 wheel hp stock. But a modified
one will, which I may have neglected to mention. There are several
examples running around which do the same 400m times as a stock GSR or
ITR. A 1.8 Mivec with stock internals but all the necessary bolts ons
will put out 140-150 wheel hp which is about 170hp at crank (assuming 10-
15% tranny loss).
And for the Evo prices, they aren't cheap no matter where you go. Even
parts straight from MMC in Japan at JDM dealer price is quite high. The
list price for a set of MMC engine mounts for CE9A is over RM1.2K (at
JPY/USD exchange rate of 100) without shipping, without local tax,
straight from the JDM MMC parts center. If you got it cheaper, you have
to have some really serious lobang, or you've bought cheaper non-MMC
Posted 14 December 2004 - 03:23 AM
will cost more thats about it and regular service at 5000km. With proper
engine management (haltech/microtech), a modified 500hp evo could run
480km on a full tank.
If u feel u can`t handle a turbo, opt for the FTO 2 litre mivec. The
halfcut + transplant costs RM12k but fuel consumtion should be less than a
4G63T. More importantly a 2 litre mivec should have better torque curve
which is more important for daily driving. There is no replacement for
CE9A engine mounts for RM1.2k? thats really too much, but if u get it from
Japan JDM, it`s bound to cost more. You`d be surprised Japan sells brand
new replacement parts more expensive in Japan compared to other countries.
You can get them cheaper in Malaysia for the same part. Their fullcuts are
cheap though. A silvia S15 only costs RM26k including transportation (can
only be used for track & u`d have to cut it before sending it over).
Posted 14 December 2004 - 10:41 AM
Believe me, they don't. I buy parts straight from Japan these days, but
before I decided to get it straight, I've made literally hundreds of
enquiries to source it through MMC parts centers and non-MMC Mitsu parts
dealers from the US, to NZ and HK. All of them use the same MMC list
price and apply the exchange rate. Plus they take a profit on top of that.
And imitation parts are more rampant than the accessories shops here will
have you believe. I've embarassed more than a few accessories shop in KL
by plonking my parts sent from Japan (in their MMC packaging) next to
their "genuine MMC" parts that they sell here.
Posted 14 December 2004 - 12:45 PM
what about if i go for economical transplant...like put in perdana v6
engine in my waja....
how much it will cost actually??
Posted 14 December 2004 - 01:29 PM
perdana v6 transplant? it should be cheap (less than RM5k including
workmanship) because nobody wants it (not much improvement) but I`m not
sure if the mounting are the same & any major modifications needed. If you
are going for something economical you won`t notice much of a difference
and you might get the same performance improvement if you use that RM5k to
improve your current engine.
Posted 14 December 2004 - 09:10 PM
get almost new ( 6 month - 1 year ) perdana v6 engine....what about brand
new v6 engine...where can i find it...
Posted 15 December 2004 - 12:08 AM
it will cost u same as hcut mivec engine maybe more. But from hcut, must
be cheaper, but still u wanted almost new, hmm with a siemen ecu? U will
regreat on wasting ur money on the engine. But still good luck on finding
one almost 6-1year engine.
I've driven a 1.8Mivec in a waja, with some mods and no vafc yet the car
feels so light and very responsive. The power i feel are the same with a
eg9 1.6 dohc vtec engine in it, but i never test it by drag it side by
side. This engine from the latest mivec from lancer mx that shares the
same chasis of an evo4 n above. I mean it's quite reliable for a stock car
with power kicks in when needed. Fuel consumption quite good when u drive
With an evo4 and above i'm sure it's very powerfull engine, u wont regreat
on this one. U'll be the king of the road when u drive it for the first
time... Just remeber when u buy the hfcut make sure u'll get the brakes,
suspension and tanks.
The price and bhp can refer on previous posting, of course can nego on the
hfcut price one don't worry. Spare parts aldo can find those hfcut shop
selling cheap2 stuff. Gdluck and drive carefully...
Posted 15 December 2004 - 12:27 PM
itself. But it's much easier if you get to compare side by side.
For instance, MMC oil filters are always black although the packaging
varies. But these days, imitation oil filters look almost exactly alike.
The difference is in the finish, the oil holes are smooth and well cut,
not rough like on an imitation. The easiest way to tell them apart, MMC
filters are pre-oiled on the contact surface. The mech doesn't have to
apply any oil when screwing it in.