Any Fully Mod NA Proton`s Car That Can Beat TypeR?
Posted 23 February 2002 - 01:27 PM
Electromagnetic valvetrain or something else?
Posted 23 February 2002 - 02:17 PM
Most probably electro-hydraulic. The problem today is addtional valvetrain mass required by such a system and it`s ability to react and respond at 18,000+ revs. I guess we`ll only know when the manufacturers wants us to know..
Posted 23 February 2002 - 04:31 PM
Posted 23 February 2002 - 05:15 PM
There also exist rotary cams/valves. Hard to explain words. But the valves don`t look like conventional valves with stems and faces. It`s all integrated into one shaft.
Posted 23 February 2002 - 10:09 PM
Posted 24 February 2002 - 01:02 AM
c0ckad00 , before you go about and shooting your mouth.. many people in this forum drive protons, and your comments are so broad as to actually make me feel that you are directly insulting me and my friends in this forum as "proton maniacs". Too actually insult someone before getting to know them?? thats a really low-blow buddy. Just because you`ve lived overseas doesn`t make you an expert on the local car scene. Also, since when does a sentra or an altis , or even the new 1.7 ivtec honda think they can outrun a proton?
please think before you post your comments up, as they are seen by everyone.
Posted 24 February 2002 - 02:47 AM
just wondering.... isn`t B18C type R is a fully modified engine?
Posted 24 February 2002 - 02:51 AM
c0ckad00 , i think because a majority of Malaysian drives protons, they tend to drive like mad to prove their car is great. I for one agree with those people for i feel proud to drive a national car (cheh cheh) althouh i`m not too impressed with their quality.
llsaw, i`m not being ignorant about F-1 technology nor do i look down on your knowledge about it. Lets just shake and forget all about it. Get back to find out how can we get our protons to nail those Type-R`s out there.
Posted 24 February 2002 - 07:33 AM
I doubt you can ever beat a type-R with a modified 4G93. And I know you already know this 8-). Remember the modified 4G93 on teammatrix`s site has 180 bhp. A stock Type-R B18C5 (USA spec) has 195 bhp stock. Honda has lightweight reciprocating mass technology, they have the motorbike business, which is a high revving engine business, and their experience with F1 too. Maybe they have the means to cheaply mass produce reliable high-revving parts. What I mean is they have a process which is cost effective.
Maybe other automakers don`t have the means to bring down the cost. I mean high-revving high power stuff is not black magic to any car manufacturer. All of them can do it, the question is, which of them can get it done at a good price so that it makes good business sense.
Now if you wanna go custom, then it`s the usual. Lightweight and strong material for the rods, shot-peened, balanced, short skirt, lightweight pistons, coated crowns, at least one Total Seal gapless ring for good compression leakdown prevention, flowed and ported heads but not enough to cause laminar flow, etc etc. Haven`t personally done any of those, but these do seem be the some of the essential ingredients.
Honestly, IMHO, it`s not worth it (unless you have money burning a hole in your pocket), you may as well turbocharge you car, strip it down and have a monstrous torque curve that kick you in the pants at 3000 rpm don`t you think so?
Posted 24 February 2002 - 08:46 AM
i don`t think czero like turbo!