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#141
clchong84

Posted 30 May 2014 - 11:24 AM

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QUOTE (jamespaul @ May 30 2014, 09:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
haha.. maintain the coating to protect the paint.

my take has always been the slightly more traditional way.

wash & wax weekly
Wax & polish & clay & wax monthly
full detail half yearly.

your car will shine like no tomorrow already. also, it will be cheaper.

if you do not have a the time, there are auto detailers out there. I do them myself (i burn calories!)

i find coating totally unjustifiable and the way the sell it is "we can repel water, its magic"

for me, the big step change in paint protection is NOT paint coating. but maybe clear bra. because there is no "top-up", no "maintenance", no "special care". its almost plug and play. the plus point is that it really protects! coating can never come close to clearbra's scratch test.

ha..ha...
if you got time this is a good idea, but provided you need to use AIO product.

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 11:33 AM

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My take on the PPF is that they are of a different kind of 'protection'. I have to admit (and totally agree) they do provide far better protection for the paint against scratches, *small* stone chips, physical abuse, etc. But it's like having a screen protector on your smartphone screen. You'd need to sacrifice the crisps, clear, glossy, shiny, depth, etc. look of the original and well detailed paintwork.

I had the VentureShield on the front portion of my car once (after polishing, of course), didn't differ as much right after installation. But after a while (actuall...around 1 year ++), the difference/contrast in appearance got more and more obvious with the VS area looking slightly hazy and the gloss is just kinda 'muted'. It looks as if there's a layer of 'translucent' film as oppose to a 'clear' film. Although there's no sign of any 'strike through' by stone/sand/grit/etc. but I can see all sort of damages to the film (swirls, water marks, insect-remains etchings, etc.). Took it off some times afterwards.

I guess it's back to personal preferences again. 4k can get a decent quality re-paint, that amount can also get the whole car PPF-ed or detailed with a good quality coating applied. All three have their own strengths and weaknesses, pros and cons, etc. Pair that with the $$$$ you're willing to spend and you'd need to weight it down to your own preferences and financial capabilities.

*IF* I have the $$$$, I would go for a re-paint with some good quality high solid paint, then get it properly detailed, put on a layer of good quality PPF and slap on a layer of good quality coating to finish it off. But, for us mere mortals, we can only dream..... smile_blush.gif

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 11:37 AM

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QUOTE (jamespaul @ May 30 2014, 09:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i find coating totally unjustifiable and the way the sell it is "we can repel water, its magic"

Forget about the salesman...majority of them are full of BS.

Putting that aside, maybe you just haven't found THAT right 'coating' that would match you.... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 12:30 PM

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Ok so truth be told, for any noobies reading this thread. You DO NOT NEED to be overly kiasu about your paint. As long as you do the basics of wash, clay, paint clean and LSP regularly the paint will last easily 20yrs. My cefiro is going on 17yrs already with factory paint and that is with all the testing done to it for 17yrs not to mention polishing also keeps thinning the paint. So for the best and cheapest option for non DIY fellas n lazy ones, best bang for the buck method is to find a good detailer, send to him for regular wash, clay n LSP (and polish as little as possible) and work out a deal with the detailer on pricing. No fuss no hassle, much reduced water spots and n cheaper in the long run.

So only play with coating and other stuff if you have extra time and money and if you have the itch to play.

P.s. When choosing a paint cleaner use non abrasive chemical AIO like DG501 or Klasse AIO and LSP of any decent quality will do.

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 03:46 PM

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Good advice there....we crazy people here go nuts with the *details* some times.... smile_blackeye.gif

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 04:17 PM

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QUOTE (KrisMas @ May 30 2014, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My take on the PPF is that they are of a different kind of 'protection'. I have to admit (and totally agree) they do provide far better protection for the paint against scratches, *small* stone chips, physical abuse, etc. But it's like having a screen protector on your smartphone screen. You'd need to sacrifice the crisps, clear, glossy, shiny, depth, etc. look of the original and well detailed paintwork.

I had the VentureShield on the front portion of my car once (after polishing, of course), didn't differ as much right after installation. But after a while (actuall...around 1 year ++), the difference/contrast in appearance got more and more obvious with the VS area looking slightly hazy and the gloss is just kinda 'muted'. It looks as if there's a layer of 'translucent' film as oppose to a 'clear' film. Although there's no sign of any 'strike through' by stone/sand/grit/etc. but I can see all sort of damages to the film (swirls, water marks, insect-remains etchings, etc.). Took it off some times afterwards.

I guess it's back to personal preferences again. 4k can get a decent quality re-paint, that amount can also get the whole car PPF-ed or detailed with a good quality coating applied. All three have their own strengths and weaknesses, pros and cons, etc. Pair that with the $$$$ you're willing to spend and you'd need to weight it down to your own preferences and financial capabilities.

*IF* I have the $$$$, I would go for a re-paint with some good quality high solid paint, then get it properly detailed, put on a layer of good quality PPF and slap on a layer of good quality coating to finish it off. But, for us mere mortals, we can only dream..... smile_blush.gif



you shouldnt have used Ventureshield. Ventureshielf PPF is famous for being not durable and it yellows with time.

Xpel has their self-healing PPF. and that has a factory 10 year warranty against yellowing. which is fantastic if you ask me.

middle income mortals should forget about PPF-ing the whole car. but maybe just the high impact areas?

anyways, i found a shop that will charge you RM650 a year and you can wash your car weekly. wax it monthly and full detail quarterly. pretty good deal if you ask me?

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 05:33 PM

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QUOTE (jamespaul @ May 30 2014, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you shouldnt have used Ventureshield. Ventureshielf PPF is famous for being not durable and it yellows with time.

Xpel has their self-healing PPF. and that has a factory 10 year warranty against yellowing. which is fantastic if you ask me.

Xpel eh? Will take note on that, might try it one of these days. Any local supplier you know of? Oh...and MATERIAL ONLY ah...don't want something that you can only purchase together with installation. I had enough of those BS and I rather #### up doing it myself then let other ppl #### up for me....sorry for the rant....

QUOTE (jamespaul @ May 30 2014, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
anyways, i found a shop that will charge you RM650 a year and you can wash your car weekly. wax it monthly and full detail quarterly. pretty good deal if you ask me?

Not me though...maybe one day when I can't even pick up my wash mitt myself then I might be tempted to look for these kind of deals. Unless, of course, I know the guy and know his as OCD as I am when it comes to the word 'DETAIL'.

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Posted 31 May 2014 - 12:17 PM

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QUOTE (jonlsl @ May 30 2014, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok so truth be told, for any noobies reading this thread. You DO NOT NEED to be overly kiasu about your paint. As long as you do the basics of wash, clay, paint clean and LSP regularly the paint will last easily 20yrs. My cefiro is going on 17yrs already with factory paint and that is with all the testing done to it for 17yrs not to mention polishing also keeps thinning the paint. So for the best and cheapest option for non DIY fellas n lazy ones, best bang for the buck method is to find a good detailer, send to him for regular wash, clay n LSP (and polish as little as possible) and work out a deal with the detailer on pricing. No fuss no hassle, much reduced water spots and n cheaper in the long run.

So only play with coating and other stuff if you have extra time and money and if you have the itch to play.

P.s. When choosing a paint cleaner use non abrasive chemical AIO like DG501 or Klasse AIO and LSP of any decent quality will do.

Yah! agree on the good detailer and not any. I know most wash and polish shop take the short cut and use G3 on the first round. That will really take a part of your CC off..... smile_blackeye.gif

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 06:33 PM

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QUOTE (vr2turbo @ May 31 2014, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yah! agree on the good detailer and not any. I know most wash and polish shop take the short cut and use G3 on the first round. That will really take a part of your CC off..... smile_blackeye.gif

ya loh... i am doing detailing, i go outside see, most of the shop they put very heave compound to polish customer cars, it look like very good but break customer car paint!

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 09:54 PM

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I have a friend going to US later this year.
Should I ask her to help me bring back a coating or a sealant? smile_tongue.gif smile_big.gif