1.8t Engine Might Be Dropped For Passat And Cc

hi everyone,

Not sure about the local market. But if you check vw.de, passat cc and passat is no longer offering for 1.8 litre engie and now with 1.4 litre instead. Could be due to tight emission control at EU or the 1.4 supercharger and also produce 160bhp and hence they drop the 1.8T.

Decide to start this thread for general discussion purpose.

i am not surprise and Singapore already selling 1.4TSI Tiguan. Being Green is the current agenda now...

The 1.4L superchanged+turbocharged will be dropped as well to improve cost efficient... now there could be still some of the models using the 1.4L super+turbo. but i believe they will be faced out gradually

for next decade to come, VW is introducing EA211 family.. the new Golf mk7 is using the EA211 1.4L turbo with cylinder deactivation..

http://blog.caranddr...-engine-series/

Hi Twincharger,

Thanks for the info very useful It seemed the world is making the engine lighter and lighter and more fuel efficient. But most people my not aware that even 1.4L produce the same bhp output as the 1.8L. The rpm would be higher if you travel say 160 km/h for 1.4 as compared with 1.8L. I wonder the engineer would have to make more sound proofing on it. Hence they will make the car very light and parts these are replaced and not repair. pretty much like DVD player. No point fixing it.

In Malaysia it does not make difference due to traffic jam but in Germany clocking long distance is common. Hence imagine driving at 5,000 rpm for 5 hours as compared with 3,000 rpm.


jktlee

bro, vw is not dropping their 1.8L entirely, but definately dropping the 1.4L super+turbocharge..
read vw road map below
http://www.cargroup....midt_oliver.pdf

probably different engine package cater for different market and country.. Europe is in the race cutting CO2 emission thus even D-segment has to use a better fuel saving engine..
But for other market which doesnt have such regulation, higher capacity engine still stay...

thus just take the German vw webpage a pinch of salt..

Hi Twincharger,

Thanks for the update. Another informative article from you. For Asean market, we continue to use Euro 2 fuel standard (Diesel) of course. As the new technology being introduced is always a cost versus revenue. Fuel company continue to use older technology here Asia because we can't pay 1.85 Euro per litre of fuel for our cars.

The 1.8T engine is still a very good engine overall as back in 1998 till 2004, this 1.8T engine comes with the following flavor
even without the FSI technology back then

150 bhp (Golf GTI and A4)
185 bhp (Audi TT front. Golf MK4 25 years celebration )
225 bhp (S3, Audi TT Quattro)


Today is the 2.0T with the FSI technology with the following bhp

200 bhp
210 bhp
230 bhp
265 bhp
300 bhp (soon to be launch S3 at Geneva Motor show)


jktlee

jktlee

should i facepalm or not...

let me try to explain in a simple way...
VW is a global car maker and thus is able to leverage on their wide array of brands/technologies/etc..

VW only offers certain spec for certain market is because of the requirements (and of course demand) of the local market itself, not because VW do not have the capability too... that is why u see certain VW model is missing from certain market and vice versa...

as for the small cc high rpm thingy.... things have changed laaaa...
u now have 7,8,9,10 and so on speed gearbox...
with longer gear ratio, u can keep your high speed rpm low....

jetta mk6 TSI, official VW malaysia spec, 200 km/h is exactly 4k rpm... now tell me is that high rpm or low rpm?

Hi Kcng,

I just bring this up for a discussion purpose only. I myslf own a 2.0 Litre Passat CC with a 6 speed DSG. I have no recorded my car at the speed rpm but I remember at 230 km is about 5,800 rpm. I agree that technology is continue improving. I hope I can life a long enough to see whether Vw have to 20 gears transmission if such a thing exists in the future.

It just that fuel economy is always one a person mind, but one you steps on a turbo my fuel consumption will go up from 7 litre per 100 km to 43 litre /100km. Is that good fuel consumption, I assure you that driving a V6 on 200 km/h versus a car in 1.4 TSI, the driving dynamics is total different.

I can predict the future, but overall VW management decide what are they think is suitable for the market in Malaysia. It is fill up thru a order form of what spec you have. I am just a tiny minority in VW world given that I am driving VW since 1997. When I was driving this car, people used to call them "Made in China car". Today is called a Volkswagen. How time has changed.

jktlee

haha...

in malaysia... they only know 2 brand...

honda and toyota...
generally their guideline or standard is what that is being offered by honda and toyota...
if toyota did not use DSG, it means that DSG is shit... cuz to them, if it is good, it will be in a toyota... haha..

maybe what u should say between a V6 and 1.4 TSI should be engine refinement instead of driving dynamics...

cuz a V6 or an inline 6 engine is so so much smoother compared to an inline 4....
heck even the perdana v6 engine feels so smooth compared to my TSI...

but step inside the cabin is heaven and earth different la...

as for FC, i personally feel that my VW has better FC then the civic 2.0...
turbo nowadays is so so different from the turbo of yester-years... but unfortunately ppl mentality/thinking is still the same...
turbo = fuel guzzlers...

hahaa..
lets just see how much advancement the automotive world will have from now on and also how the market in malaysia will go next...

Yes, it is our mentality...

Imagine if VW were to sell Passat 1.4 tsi here... the cc is about 1,000cc less than the equivalently priced Camry 2.4, Accord 2.4 but more than that if compared to Teana 2.5 and Mazda 6 2.5. The car will get funny remarks at kopitiam talks.

Hope it will change soon.