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Posted 06 August 2009 - 11:11 AM

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QUOTE (Kevin @ Aug 5 2009, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the Sonata NF, although older than the Elantra, got the Theta engine due to it being in a higher category than the Elantra. The Coupe (in its current model) is older than the Sonata NF.

Theta II engines are already found on Sonatas and Optimas around the world. They were introduced in both the facelift Optima and Sonata. Another feature incorporated is the Variable Induction System. A new 5-speed gearbox was also introduced with the Theta II engine. We don't get both facelifts in Malaysia hence we don't see the Theta II.



About Theta II, rethink about Rondo, I remember they did mention that its engine is THETA II not THeta I4. If that's the case, the difference found on the intake manifold compared to Theta I4 in Optima/Sonata. No dual CVVT, just intake site only.

SIME, Kah Bintang & Naza purposely refuse to bring in the facelift Sonata & Optima. Reason is the Sonata & Optima sales quite low. Why waste money to bring in facelift variant if many dislike it. Most marketing people will think that maybe they dislike the looks. They didn't notice that if they could reveal to every1 that the entire technical is Japanese Mitsu especially 4B11 rebadged Theta engine, people will go for it. Too bad, Koreans ego is more important than sales.

They are waiting for newer replacement instead as the public might like the new 2010 Sonata/Optima design. More hope compared to facelift Sonata. The big jaw dropping grill in facelift 08 Sonata is quite irritating. Optima/Magentis 08, it is sold only in the US just like Cerato facelift '07. Not available in any other country including Australia, Singaland, Thailand, India, HK, Taiwan, etc.

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 04:50 PM

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QUOTE (jayraptor @ Aug 6 2009, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
About Theta II, rethink about Rondo, I remember they did mention that its engine is THETA II not THeta I4. If that's the case, the difference found on the intake manifold compared to Theta I4 in Optima/Sonata. No dual CVVT, just intake site only.

SIME, Kah Bintang & Naza purposely refuse to bring in the facelift Sonata & Optima. Reason is the Sonata & Optima sales quite low. Why waste money to bring in facelift variant if many dislike it. Most marketing people will think that maybe they dislike the looks. They didn't notice that if they could reveal to every1 that the entire technical is Japanese Mitsu especially 4B11 rebadged Theta engine, people will go for it. Too bad, Koreans ego is more important than sales.

They are waiting for newer replacement instead as the public might like the new 2010 Sonata/Optima design. More hope compared to facelift Sonata. The big jaw dropping grill in facelift 08 Sonata is quite irritating. Optima/Magentis 08, it is sold only in the US just like Cerato facelift '07. Not available in any other country including Australia, Singaland, Thailand, India, HK, Taiwan, etc.

Rondo is advertised as having the Theta I engine, not Theta II.

You got the poor sales the wrong way round. It is because of poor sales, that both Naza and Oriental have tonnes of unsold stock. When you have unsold stock, you are not going to bring in new models. Besides, both cars are CKDed so retooling is required. Naza and Oriental are certainly not going to bring in CKD packs for the facelifts when the current models are not selling. It is not an issue with Korean ego. The issue is the sheer ignorance of the Malaysian public when it comes to Korean cars.

Just today, latest sales figures from Australia have Hyundai moving up to 4th position, behind Toyota, Holden and Ford. Hyundai is within striking distance to Ford and I expect them to move to No 3 by the end of 2009. Note that all marques in the top 3 have manufacturing facilities in Australia. Hyundai is solely an importer.

The new Sonata YF will be launched in Korea next month. Spy pics are already on the net. It's going to be a looker.

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 04:56 PM

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QUOTE (jayraptor @ Aug 6 2009, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
About Theta II, rethink about Rondo, I remember they did mention that its engine is THETA II not THeta I4. If that's the case, the difference found on the intake manifold compared to Theta I4 in Optima/Sonata. No dual CVVT, just intake site only.

SIME, Kah Bintang & Naza purposely refuse to bring in the facelift Sonata & Optima. Reason is the Sonata & Optima sales quite low. Why waste money to bring in facelift variant if many dislike it. Most marketing people will think that maybe they dislike the looks. They didn't notice that if they could reveal to every1 that the entire technical is Japanese Mitsu especially 4B11 rebadged Theta engine, people will go for it. Too bad, Koreans ego is more important than sales.

They are waiting for newer replacement instead as the public might like the new 2010 Sonata/Optima design. More hope compared to facelift Sonata. The big jaw dropping grill in facelift 08 Sonata is quite irritating. Optima/Magentis 08, it is sold only in the US just like Cerato facelift '07. Not available in any other country including Australia, Singaland, Thailand, India, HK, Taiwan, etc.

Yes, the Optima facelift is not being sold in Australia only because Kia Australia the same problem moving stock. The Australians love their Holdens and Fords with V6 engines that guzzle more fuel than they should. Any manufacturer with a vehicle in the same category as the Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon are going to have their work cut out.

The Sonata NF facelift is being sold in Australia though.

The Kia Cerato and Hyundai i30 are doing extremely well in Australia though.

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Posted 07 August 2009 - 01:13 AM

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QUOTE (Kevin @ Aug 4 2009, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would like to further add that the i30 is available with both "old" and "new" engines. The 1.6 is the new Gamma engine while the 2.0 is the same Beta engine used in the Elantra.

Also note that Theta II has effectively replaced the Theta engine which adds on CVVT on the exhaust side (I think!) The Kia Forte/Cerato 2.0 is the Theta II engine and that engine should end the perception that Korean cars come with inferior engines.




hi,

if i'm to buy kia optima second hand car. which year you think the engine is better ?


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Posted 07 August 2009 - 10:33 AM

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QUOTE (Kevin @ Aug 6 2009, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, the Optima facelift is not being sold in Australia only because Kia Australia the same problem moving stock. The Australians love their Holdens and Fords with V6 engines that guzzle more fuel than they should. Any manufacturer with a vehicle in the same category as the Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon are going to have their work cut out.

The Sonata NF facelift is being sold in Australia though.

The Kia Cerato and Hyundai i30 are doing extremely well in Australia though.


Hi Kevin!

Aussies love their country own cars a lot but at the same time, they protest that these cars are highly overpriced comparable in price to German luxury cars. But non-white Aussies claimed that these cars have poorer build quality and really don't deserved buying. Will be hard to find Chinese with PR or citizenship there owning Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon.


Hi Mr Martin,

As what Vermaltech said, go for Theta & Gamma engines and you'll be happy. If you are going for used Optima:

Optima '04-07 (same platform as Sonata EF)
It's using remoulded 4G63 older Mitsu engine named as SIRIUS (Mitsu 4G6X series). Technically ok but it emphasised much on safety standard making it heavier. The engine doesn't have valve timing.

Optima '07-'09 (sold by Naza Kia Sonata NF platform)
Theta I4 engine - better FC & performance - more effort placed

Optima '07-09 are less appeared on sale. Getting a new 1 from Naza with discount for 2.0, I think it's around RM93k brand new but could be existing stock. Discount could be higher for older stock. Pay a visit to find out first before you buy anything. No harm testing cars. Just like before getting married, go date all girls 1st. See how they fare.



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Posted 09 August 2009 - 12:31 AM

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QUOTE (jayraptor @ Aug 7 2009, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Kevin!

Aussies love their country own cars a lot but at the same time, they protest that these cars are highly overpriced comparable in price to German luxury cars. But non-white Aussies claimed that these cars have poorer build quality and really don't deserved buying. Will be hard to find Chinese with PR or citizenship there owning Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon.


Hi Mr Martin,

As what Vermaltech said, go for Theta & Gamma engines and you'll be happy. If you are going for used Optima:

Optima '04-07 (same platform as Sonata EF)
It's using remoulded 4G63 older Mitsu engine named as SIRIUS (Mitsu 4G6X series). Technically ok but it emphasised much on safety standard making it heavier. The engine doesn't have valve timing.

Optima '07-'09 (sold by Naza Kia Sonata NF platform)
Theta I4 engine - better FC & performance - more effort placed

Optima '07-09 are less appeared on sale. Getting a new 1 from Naza with discount for 2.0, I think it's around RM93k brand new but could be existing stock. Discount could be higher for older stock. Pay a visit to find out first before you buy anything. No harm testing cars. Just like before getting married, go date all girls 1st. See how they fare.



thanks for advise,

i'm thinking of buying used kia optima which i think around RM 35 - 45k which is good price for me
things still make me considering is cost of repairing of maintenance will be same as japanese car like other 2.0ltr car or
much more expensive to maintain...



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Posted 10 August 2009 - 03:25 PM

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QUOTE (martinyeoh @ Aug 9 2009, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
thanks for advise,

i'm thinking of buying used kia optima which i think around RM 35 - 45k which is good price for me
things still make me considering is cost of repairing of maintenance will be same as japanese car like other 2.0ltr car or
much more expensive to maintain...


Engine spare parts ok. Maintenance is ok but fuel consumption is a bit higher. Hyundai targeted US market at that time so they have to meet the requirements on strong chasis and pass the crash test with flying colour. In western countries, car insurance policies price depends on safety standard. Small cars like most Daihatsu are barred from entering Australia and smaller cars have more expensive insurance policies rate than bigger cars in Western Countries. Without valve timing and heavier body caused poorer FC. Optima '04 headlamp costs around RM500 a piece at that time. Now not sure.

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 11:43 PM

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now spore KIA FORTE like hot cake waiting list 4month

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 10:37 AM

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QUOTE (lwlty @ Aug 11 2009, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
now spore KIA FORTE like hot cake waiting list 4month


Probably that's the reason why Forte is still not available on local market.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 10:18 PM

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GOt limit production n supply spare part