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FEMLab

Posted 03 July 2009 - 09:25 AM

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Dear Admin of Autoworld.

Pls have a look at Peugeot Section of Autoworld where "The Moderator" has abuse his "power" by locking my tread, delete my tread and warning me against such post just because he disagree with my post.

There is nothing sensitive about the tread, just I sugguest a collective of voice to be forwarded to Nasim about their business practice (which is not good to consumer).

My initial post "Start petition to Nasim" http://forum.autowor...showtopic=89702
can be found in Peugeot Section.

I can also attached 'the moderator' warning on such post and not to post in Peugeot section (I taught Autoworld is a free section and can discussed on the betterment of industry.)

FYI, I hv been a member since 2004 and never encounter such act from moderator before.



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FEMLab,

Don't abused the forum and simply make assumptions. We're considered very kind to be saying nice words to you and not giving you any warning.

Please understand that there is nothing about protecting Nasim. It's simply REALITY. If you cannot accept the reality then forget it. I've told you many many times, these things happens in REAL LIFE, and product can have changes, and you can't say YOU WANT the promotion because of that. You can request, nobody say you can't nobody can stop you.

As for KHLee, he's just being childish sorry to say, he can't even answer my question and simply make assumptions. As a friend, even Alan, your beloved 308 president, already mentioned, this is normal. Be FAIR. You keep on wanting the promotion is simply absurb and childish. You can request nobody can stop you I've already mentioned, but what's you point putting up the thread in the forum? To see people laughing and teasing you? We all have been very kind to explain to you and ask you to take action instead.

If you want to rant about it, then please do it in My308Club forum. There you can post anything within the club forum rights and let the moderators there be the judge.

FYI, many Pug seniors are very annoyed with your thread, just for your information.(end quote)






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Posted 03 July 2009 - 10:17 AM

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FEMLab, I can assure you there are no politics involved. The decision to close a thread does not happen simply because the moderator disagrees with your opinion.

The moderator can choose to close/delete a topic if he/she feels the discussion is getting to nowhere, or that the temperature is rising too high.

Don't take it hard, we've all had our topics locked before. It's forumming life.




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Posted 03 July 2009 - 10:51 AM

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Bro,

It mainly disagreement..do go and read the post..temperature high maybe...but getting nowhere..no la (I am getting response from others)

I was trying to collect the intrested party response..(few actually agree even PM me to go a head)..but when the tread is close..how to get more member to agree with the collection of voice..my other tread after that also got delete..

Than its become not "FREE" and very "VETO" like to discuss anymore..I am totally shut from forum in peugeot section..also got PM not to "runt" in peugeot section..So how to collect more owner name if not post in peugeot forum..to email them directly is sort of invading their privatsy.

Surely nobody care if I post in toyota/proton section..its about peugout car (but refrain from posting there)

Anyhow.. I dont want to continue petition already eventhough I got more than 10 member agree with it..too much hassle and politics..

Just channeling out my frustration here..
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 11:37 AM

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QUOTE (FEMLab @ Jul 3 2009, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bro,

It mainly disagreement..do go and read the post..temperature high maybe...but getting nowhere..no la (I am getting response from others)

I was trying to collect the intrested party response..(few actually agree even PM me to go a head)..but when the tread is close..how to get more member to agree with the collection of voice..my other tread after that also got delete..

Than its become not "FREE" and very "VETO" like to discuss anymore..I am totally shut from forum in peugeot section..also got PM not to "runt" in peugeot section..So how to collect more owner name if not post in peugeot forum..to email them directly is sort of invading their privatsy.

Surely nobody care if I post in toyota/proton section..its about peugout car (but refrain from posting there)

Anyhow.. I dont want to continue petition already eventhough I got more than 10 member agree with it..too much hassle and politics..

Just channeling out my frustration here..


Correction:
1. Did I disagree with your petition? I say go ahead and take action. We treat you as friend/member, so we explain to you WHY it might not work and hope you can understand.
I also personally ask you to just take action, or email all the owners to get their list instead of discussing because I KNEW you'll receive many advice from others (but to regard it as attack is hurt to those who actually trying to help/advice you as a friend/member).
I've already mentioned earlier the thread has cause many issues, and from KH Lee posting, it clearly point many misunderstanding and un-true claims which from my personal point of view, it will cause things to go even uglier. I've said I'll be the bad person to close the thread, please don't fight with me to be the bad person. smile_wink.gif

Your other thread got deleted because you got personal and claimed something that was baseless, the thread was pointless as if you're trying to ask people to support you and go against the moderator for closing the thread. I'm the bad person ok, please don't take the status away smile_wink.gif

QUOTE (FEMLab @ Jul 3 2009, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Surely nobody care if I post in toyota/proton section..its about peugout car (but refrain from posting there)

Good example:
Now there is Vios TRD, try complain, start petition that you buy the Vios S without TRD.
Or now Honda has FREE service campaign. Go start your peition as see.
I think it's pretty common sense to understand.

I've inform you that if you want discussion without people giving their opinions which you might find unhappy about, just post in My308Club section; I would also suggest you to state clearly in the topic that "NO DISCUSSION", only NAME list (altough I doubt anyone wouldn't want the FREE "Lion Save Package").

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Posted 03 July 2009 - 11:52 AM

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QUOTE (FEMLab @ Jul 3 2009, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(start quote)
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FYI, many Pug seniors are very annoyed with your thread, just for your information.(end quote)


No offence to the Pug Seniors, I reallly find this statement to be amusing. Have not heard such a statement since I left School more than 20 years ago. A Car is just a means of transportation. There is no need to take it personally when someone insults the Car that you drive or the Company that sold you the Car. Are we that childish to relate our esteem and pride merely to the car that we drive.

FEM, if you think that you were the only one to get screwed by such practices, pls think again. Just look at the original price of the Carnival and the price of the current Malaysian version. Same for the Carens before it was localised with a bigger engine (1.8L to 2.0L) . What do these companies have in common. Do you see the See the trend here.

Ok, back to the issue of locking your thread. Just by glancing over your postings, it did not violate the cardinal rules such as:

(a) Vulgar words
(B) Race
© Religion

But nevertheless, the Admin has empowered Moderators to act as they see fit. There is really nothing that you can do. As for your issue with the Company, you should write to their CEO and ask for some sort of "freebie" like the "Save the Lion Package" or perhaps some sort of body kit and its right, more members should join you. Strength in numbers.

Btw, you can still post in the other forum and perhaps at the Pug Forum but Jamie, if you are reading this, you should override the Pug Forum and reinstate FEM. After all, he did not breach the cardinal rules and is merely voicing his frustration.

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Posted 03 July 2009 - 12:11 PM

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QUOTE (cfa @ Jul 3 2009, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No offence to the Pug Seniors, I reallly find this statement to be amusing. Have not heard such a statement since I left School more than 20 years ago. A Car is just a means of transportation. There is no need to take it personally when someone insults the Car that you drive or the Company that sold you the Car. Are we that childish to relate our esteem and pride merely to the car that we drive.


First off, nobody is complaing abot unsulting cars. The reason why many were annoyed because of the act (I want the Lion Save Package). It has nothing to do with the car or company. Plus, nobody agrees that Nasim is RIGHT for changing it specs, etc. So who is protecting Nasim? We only mentioned that every product (if not all), will have these kinds of discount/package to move/sell their product. But someone can't understand and keep telling "I want the package", it doesn't have to be a Pug senior/owner to be annoyed by it. It can be anyone, heck, even when I tell my friends about this (jap owners), they also laugh and say why Peugeot owners mind so shallow. It's common sense, nothing related to car or company.


QUOTE (cfa @ Jul 3 2009, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But nevertheless, the Admin has empowered Moderators to act as they see fit. There is really nothing that you can do. As for your issue with the Company, you should write to their CEO and ask for some sort of "freebie" like the "Save the Lion Package" or perhaps some sort of body kit and its right, more members should join you. Strength in numbers.

Btw, you can still post in the other forum and perhaps at the Pug Forum but Jamie, if you are reading this, you should override the Pug Forum and reinstate FEM. After all, he did not breach the cardinal rules and is merely voicing his frustration.


If you DID read the thread, that's what I suggested to him ALL THE WHILE, I tell him it's no point starting the thread and "asking" to discuss or opinion. I KNEW surely people will "advice" or "tell" him (not even attack), that it was pointless BUT most (if not all) still say it won't hurt to try. Even I told him the same, it's good news for us, CUSTOMERS, if it works. I told him to take action instead.

Of course, FEMLab is NOT wrong, I did not say he is. The reason I close the thread is stated clearly, to avoid further misunderstanding and things to turn ugly. I already advice him the things he can do:
1. To Take Action, or
2. Send emails to all the owners.
3. To create a thread in My308Club section (since he cannot accept/take advice/information from others, and regard it as attack (see My308Club forum, he urge the members to support him as he was being 'attacked').
In this thread, I also suggested him to open a thread SOLELY to get names, and NO DISCUSSION.

If he's truly wanting to "do" something, I believe he would've follow some of the advice. But you can read in the posting, he said he "malas" to do it, will only SOKONG.

I would appreaciate anyone who intend to reply, please do READ the threads clearly first because you could make the wrong assumptions.


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Posted 03 July 2009 - 12:38 PM

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I've already explained myself above. Don't want to waste time continue here, especially if another which never reads clearly before reply, because at a glance, yes, he's just trying to start petition and I close his thread, it's easy to make assumptions/conclusions. I personally foresee when it gets public and most people will judge from the cover/glance, no point continue for me

Last but not least:
If I'm really wrong, I don't mind to be revoke of my moderator status (do you think it's fun to close thread and prepared for revenge from the TS? Whenever one decide to close thread or take any action, he/she become the bad person).

But I wish to say, logically, there's no wrong closing a thread and asking the thread starter to take action instead of having further discussion which could result to negative outcome.
Example:
Someone start a thread say he wants to fight for FREE Gift/Discount from a company, so he wants people to put their name.
I don't see anything wrong if the mod close the thread and ask the thread starter to send the owners emails, or close the thread to prevent discussion (which the mod foresee could result to negative outcome) and ask anybody interested to support to PM the thread starter their information.

Thank you.

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Posted 03 July 2009 - 03:00 PM

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Bravo Andy well said smile_thumbup.gif..

BUT YOU LOST MY RESPECT when you PM me (after you close my tread..)


I quote your PM above..in case you didnt have a copy

1) You consider youself kind and not give warning (warning for what basis..disagree with you??)
2) Saying both me and Lee absurd and childish (getting personal are we??l)
3) Not to "runt" (i.e. post) in Pug main section anymore (veto-like statement and not making Autoworld free to voice our concern??).

Thanks for the explaination bro, I may seem silly in your eye.. but you too need to see yourself in the mirror..you may have done a lot of good thing for PUG section, but that doesnt give you a right to ridicule my idea in the PUG section..and again get personal by sending above PM..duuuudeeee.

BTW..I didnt start this tread to discuss about my original post..but issue at hand is how you behave as moderator!! Abit misusing the privilage I would say
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 03:45 PM

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Andy, don't get me wrong. I am not questioning your discretion to close the previous topic nor to get your moderator status revoked. However FEM has stated that he has been "banned" from posting at the Pug forum and in my opinion, FEM has not breached the cardinal rules to justify him being "banned" end hence perhaps higher "intervention" is required.


I suppose a truce should be called by 2 long time members of Autoworld. FEM as suggested, why don't you compile a list of members contact and demands before writing officially to Nasim.

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Posted 03 July 2009 - 04:29 PM

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QUOTE (cfa @ Jul 3 2009, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Andy, don't get me wrong. I am not questioning your discretion to close the previous topic nor to get your moderator status revoked. However FEM has stated that he has been "banned" from posting at the Pug forum and in my opinion, FEM has not breached the cardinal rules to justify him being "banned" end hence perhaps higher "intervention" is required.


I suppose a truce should be called by 2 long time members of Autoworld. FEM as suggested, why don't you compile a list of members contact and demands before writing officially to Nasim.


Dude..I am not banned..banned..but andy did PM me and ask me nicely not to 'runt' in PUG section anymore in his PM..so maybe this doesnt count as official banned..


Andy,
chille dude..I dont want to see this to be a long controversial tread..just that I hope that the moderator stick to the code of conduct and not get personal..

SORRY to all if in any way I get personal or seem to get overboard or even cry baby..especially to ANDY..SORRY dude..

ok I am out of here..zoom of to zerotohunderds nowadays only intermittenly check whatsup in autoworld..
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