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#41
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Posted 21 February 2009 - 12:32 AM

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This time i choose to wait n see. Yes 1.6 sound ridiculous with its seemingly large chassis but who knows it would perform well enough to attract buyers.

Exora estimated weight will be 1380kg.

Some comparison from the other blog, power to weight ratio:

Nissan Grand Livina 1.6 Auto
1245kg
HR16DE without variable valve
105hp
150Nm at 4,400rpm
84.34bhp per tonne
RM88K

Nissan Grand Livina 1.8 Auto
1280kg
MR18DE
126hp
174Nm at 4,800rpm
98.44bhp per tonne
RM98K

Toyota Avanza 1.5S Auto
1120kg
3SZ-VE from Daihatsu
109hp
141Nm at 4,400rpm
97.32bhp per tonne
RM77.1K
(Rush similar with additional 200kg weight + RM10k)

Toyota Innova 2.0G auto
1575kg
1TR-FE
136hp
182Nm at 4000rpm
86.35bhp per tonne
RM109K

Chery Eastar 2.4 auto
1505kg
4G64 (from Mitsubishi)
127hp
198Nm at 3000rpm
84.39bhp per tonne
RM82K (to date)

Naza Citra Rondo EXS
1590kg
GEMA engine
145hp
189Nm at 4250rpm
91.2bhp per tonne
RM89K

Toyota wish 1.8
1320kg
1ZZ-FE
130hp
170Nm at 4200rpm
98.48bhp per tonne
RM120K above at you nearest grey importer

Honda Stream 1.8 auto
1385kg
R18A
137hp
174Nm at 4300rpm
98.92bhp per tonne
RM146K

Proton Exora 1.6 auto
1380kg (est)
Campro 1.6 CPS
125bhp
150Nm at 4500rpm
90.58bhp per tonne
RM75K est.

Later the argument will focus towards torque...

#42
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Posted 21 February 2009 - 05:27 AM

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QUOTE (whathef @ Feb 21 2009, 12:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This time i choose to wait n see. Yes 1.6 sound ridiculous with its seemingly large chassis but who knows it would perform well enough to attract buyers.

Exora estimated weight will be 1380kg.

Some comparison from the other blog, power to weight ratio:

Nissan Grand Livina 1.6 Auto
1245kg
HR16DE without variable valve
105hp
150Nm at 4,400rpm
84.34bhp per tonne
RM88K

Nissan Grand Livina 1.8 Auto
1280kg
MR18DE
126hp
174Nm at 4,800rpm
98.44bhp per tonne
RM98K

Toyota Avanza 1.5S Auto
1120kg
3SZ-VE from Daihatsu
109hp
141Nm at 4,400rpm
97.32bhp per tonne
RM77.1K
(Rush similar with additional 200kg weight + RM10k)

Toyota Innova 2.0G auto
1575kg
1TR-FE
136hp
182Nm at 4000rpm
86.35bhp per tonne
RM109K

Chery Eastar 2.4 auto
1505kg
4G64 (from Mitsubishi)
127hp
198Nm at 3000rpm
84.39bhp per tonne
RM82K (to date)

Naza Citra Rondo EXS
1590kg
GEMA engine
145hp
189Nm at 4250rpm
91.2bhp per tonne
RM89K

Toyota wish 1.8
1320kg
1ZZ-FE
130hp
170Nm at 4200rpm
98.48bhp per tonne
RM120K above at you nearest grey importer

Honda Stream 1.8 auto
1385kg
R18A
137hp
174Nm at 4300rpm
98.92bhp per tonne
RM146K

Proton Exora 1.6 auto
1380kg (est)
Campro 1.6 CPS
125bhp
150Nm at 4500rpm
90.58bhp per tonne
RM75K est.

Later the argument will focus towards torque...



Even on innova my friend is complaining the power for a 2.0 L car what else for a 1.6cps???
I would like to see the car first

#43
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Posted 21 February 2009 - 08:49 AM

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There's a teaser today in The Star..not sure about other newspaper...

Looks good...

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 10:25 AM

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for 80K, i will go for citra rondo instead. 2.0 CVVT with no timing belt. grand livina has a low roofline.

i will not need 10 cupholders for crying out loud.

CPS is performing well in gen2 and waja, and its performance can be appreciated at the top end of the rev band.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 10:29 AM

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QUOTE (wanida @ Feb 20 2009, 10:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
alldisc,
relax bro, i know you entered and lost that naming contest same as me but nevermind, let's wait for the next Proton SUV naming contest (if any) OK.. smile_approve.gif

i do not mind losing, but the reasoning they gave for choosing exora is ridiculous.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 12:18 PM

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QUOTE (khskeet @ Feb 21 2009, 05:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Even on innova my friend is complaining the power for a 2.0 L car what else for a 1.6cps???
I would like to see the car first


Yes u can see there the power to weight ratio for Innova even the 2.0G auto is only 86.35bhp per tonne. While the Exora estimated figure will be 90.58 horsepower per tonne.

Citra Rondo, though using 2.0l engine, also recorded decent 91.2 bhp per tonne which is similar to Exora. Yes some people might argue timing belt is a hassle, but research shows that timing belted engine have lower NVH and recorded slightly better fc.

The only grin i have is whether the Exora will have enough torque.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 12:25 PM

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QUOTE (peedoot @ Feb 21 2009, 08:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's a teaser today in The Star..not sure about other newspaper...

Looks good...



Try http://www.proton-edar.com.my/exora/

The price between 72k - 76k hline

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 01:11 PM

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QUOTE (whathef @ Feb 21 2009, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes u can see there the power to weight ratio for Innova even the 2.0G auto is only 86.35bhp per tonne. While the Exora estimated figure will be 90.58 horsepower per tonne.

Citra Rondo, though using 2.0l engine, also recorded decent 91.2 bhp per tonne which is similar to Exora. Yes some people might argue timing belt is a hassle, but research shows that timing belted engine have lower NVH and recorded slightly better fc.

The only grin i have is whether the Exora will have enough torque.

timing chain has a longer service life; at least 400,000km. timing belt is designed to go max 100K only.

exora has good power to weight ratio but bear in mind that the extra power comes only at a higher rpm when the timing is altered by the CPS. in real life driving... most of the users will be driving around 2-3,000rpm only.

still 80K is one price too high. 10 cupholders dont do justiceto it. neither cheap dashboard control knobs.
as malaysian, we expect better.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 06:43 PM

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QUOTE (alldisc @ Feb 21 2009, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
timing chain has a longer service life; at least 400,000km. timing belt is designed to go max 100K only.

exora has good power to weight ratio but bear in mind that the extra power comes only at a higher rpm when the timing is altered by the CPS. in real life driving... most of the users will be driving around 2-3,000rpm only.

still 80K is one price too high. 10 cupholders dont do justiceto it. neither cheap dashboard control knobs.
as malaysian, we expect better.

Well the 2008 Rondo has 10 cupholders as well. 2009 Rondo has 8 cupholders.

We should be using torque instead of power as it is torque which gives you pulling power.


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Posted 22 February 2009 - 01:21 PM

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yalo... da reason sux!!! LOLZ.... and why da winner is a malay AGAIN ar? last time savvy oso a malay winner.... not fair la.... shud giv other races oso de ma... >.<... and who won da vacation trip ar?