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What Is Happening To Quality Thesedays?


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Posted 09 December 2010 - 12:23 PM

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QUOTE (kaylcar @ Nov 25 2010, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't believe the Iswara is as difficult to assemble as the BMW and it's nonsense to draw a comparison on the "quality" of each in this way. The fact that the BMW had so many quality issues demonstrates the point very well that local assemblers cannot handle sophisticated cars. The Iswara is a crude piece of machinery by comparison.

With stiff competition and the demand for affordable products, manufacturing companies have to find means of
coming up with lower priced products. Sometimes in the quest to market a product at a lower price, manufacturers
tend to overlook into the quality aspects. There are several ways to lower the price of a product. One way is to use a lower grade or cheaper alternative material to manufacture the product. Sometimes this can decrease the lifespan of the product
or the reliability of the product. Manufacturers are supposed to do a proper feasibility study, conduct a proper trial run, field test, product reliability test etc whenever a different or cheaper material is used in manufacturing the product, if they skip any of these cycles or did not conduct a proper study, this is where we get a low quality product.
Another cost saving method by manufacturers is to shorten the cycletime or shorten the process time of the product, for example reduce the curing process of the product or reduce the inspection process. Sometimes when manufacturers tend to "overdo" these methods, this is when the quality of the product is compromised.
There are many other factors which affects the quality of product..cheaper packing material, mode of transportation, new workforce without proper skills,etc.. In order to maintain a product with optimum quality is not easy but with the right people and mindset and applying lean methodology, it is possible.
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Posted 14 December 2010 - 02:57 PM

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One of the biggest costs in "the product" is labour ! That's why the big manufacturers have moved production to Thailand, China India Brazil East Euro countries etc.....in the process they get lower transport costs and a more profitable product. The other option is to invest in machinery so that the human touch is removed as much as possible. Robots don't make mistakes that often! For example Japanese car makers were 15 times more productive than US workers, but their salaries were higher so they had to be to stay competitive. It's easy to do the math, but car makers balance production costs and mechanization directly with labor costs, ...I think. smile_tongue.gif





QUOTE (MxThrottle @ Dec 9 2010, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
With stiff competition and the demand for affordable products, manufacturing companies have to find means of
coming up with lower priced products. Sometimes in the quest to market a product at a lower price, manufacturers
tend to overlook into the quality aspects. There are several ways to lower the price of a product. One way is to use a lower grade or cheaper alternative material to manufacture the product. Sometimes this can decrease the lifespan of the product
or the reliability of the product. Manufacturers are supposed to do a proper feasibility study, conduct a proper trial run, field test, product reliability test etc whenever a different or cheaper material is used in manufacturing the product, if they skip any of these cycles or did not conduct a proper study, this is where we get a low quality product.
Another cost saving method by manufacturers is to shorten the cycletime or shorten the process time of the product, for example reduce the curing process of the product or reduce the inspection process. Sometimes when manufacturers tend to "overdo" these methods, this is when the quality of the product is compromised.
There are many other factors which affects the quality of product..cheaper packing material, mode of transportation, new workforce without proper skills,etc.. In order to maintain a product with optimum quality is not easy but with the right people and mindset and applying lean methodology, it is possible.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 11:26 PM

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I think the answer can be simple but will not go down well with many. Just make simpler cars - be it for entry level cars or luxury cars. Less technology, less electronics, less moving parts... this way, the cars can be manufactured with less cost, be easier to fix and can be more reliable in the long run. If the emphasis is on building simpler cars, more focus can be placed on making those components with higher quality; resulting in a more reliable car. But it will be impossible to do so with a world obsessed with possessing the latest cutting edge technology and where car buyers are looking at buying the newest technology to be one-up on their neighbour. Don't get me wrong. I am all for power windows, fuel injection etc. and these all make our motoring lives better but just how much is enough? The growing demands from customers and the ever obliging car manufacturers in giving in to those demands compromises quality greatly. These days, are there cars that last 10 years without any serious fault? In the past, cars lasted. Maybe these days, in a disposable generation, cars are being like disposable items like for example, diapers; use then throw. Maybe it is no longer feasible to make cars that last as it just means less cars sold later on?

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 07:11 PM

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QUOTE (retro @ Oct 29 2011, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the answer can be simple but will not go down well with many. Just make simpler cars - be it for entry level cars or luxury cars. Less technology, less electronics, less moving parts... this way, the cars can be manufactured with less cost, be easier to fix and can be more reliable in the long run. If the emphasis is on building simpler cars, more focus can be placed on making those components with higher quality; resulting in a more reliable car. But it will be impossible to do so with a world obsessed with possessing the latest cutting edge technology and where car buyers are looking at buying the newest technology to be one-up on their neighbour. Don't get me wrong. I am all for power windows, fuel injection etc. and these all make our motoring lives better but just how much is enough? The growing demands from customers and the ever obliging car manufacturers in giving in to those demands compromises quality greatly. These days, are there cars that last 10 years without any serious fault? In the past, cars lasted. Maybe these days, in a disposable generation, cars are being like disposable items like for example, diapers; use then throw. Maybe it is no longer feasible to make cars that last as it just means less cars sold later on?


Don't say cars, even the aircon compressors if you change to a supposed new unit. Its different(lower quality)
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Posted 14 November 2011 - 08:53 PM

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I think anything also the same...... smile_blackeye.gif

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 09:51 PM

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QUOTE (vr2turbo @ Nov 14 2011, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think anything also the same...... smile_blackeye.gif

i"m agreed with that.. since the assembly in manufacturing became more cheap.. more easy to installl.. all the manufacturer doing the same functions.. besides that the major factor is China country.. all production done there.. we all now China production based on the concept 'make more , make profit", quality is second things..

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 02:20 AM

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QUOTE (ain206 @ Nov 15 2010, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
we are talking about the quality of manufacturing . The G policy got nothing to do about it. Let just talk about the thread topic.

Yes it does unfortunately.

Why quality of proton in lesser years so bad whereas UMW and others were better despite both employing local people?

G policy as in P1 is national car. Once it's a 'national' car status with G having a big stake in it, to be protected then you have interference in the management. From top to bottom.

Get rid of the 'national car status' and let it be a true business enterprise. I don't think the Koreans have such a 'status' given to any of their car companies and look how much their car industry have improved.

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 02:25 AM

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QUOTE (kaylcar @ Dec 14 2010, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One of the biggest costs in "the product" is labour !

There are other equally important factor why companies move to somewhere else ...

tariffs eg cars made in Asean less tax etc
political pressure .. eg how Japan moved their production to US and used more local components in US


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Posted 27 November 2011 - 02:20 PM

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QUOTE (vr2turbo @ Nov 14 2011, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think anything also the same...... smile_blackeye.gif



yeah human also same ...now days human got more problem and more sickness despite the advancement in medical...

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 05:37 PM

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QUOTE (Newkelisa @ Nov 27 2011, 02:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are other equally important factor why companies move to somewhere else ...

tariffs eg cars made in Asean less tax etc
political pressure .. eg how Japan moved their production to US and used more local components in US

Move to Cheaper labor country, then use cheap parts. First is not too bad can still control, but second not good as the part will fail....