Assalamualaikum,
Yang ni saya kena jawab la sebab banyak sangat misinformation. Biasanya
information yang berpindah dari satu mulut ke satu mulut yang lain akan
berubah menjadi sensasi. Itu lah masyarakat kita. Kita bukan mendapat
firsthand info tapi berdasarkan cerita yang telah ditokok tambah. Ini dia
cerita dari orang dalam yang duduk ditengah tengah R&D PROTON.
KKK..ada kenalan dari kastam boleh confirmkan perkara ni..member atuk
kerja kastam kat kelang dan beliau sendiri yang maklumkan yg salah satu
tugas dia adalah buat checking penerimaan barangan proton untuk di
pasangkan di negara ni. Satu kontena enjin je..manakala kontena lain
adalah pintu, body dan sebagainya. sama lah dengan kereta lain juga.
Kalau kita lalu kat kawasan glenmarie tu, akan ternampak lah satu tandaK
Kilang Enjin Proton. Tanda tu tak duduk kat situ untuk suka suka je.
Kalau kita jengok kat dalamK. Boleh nampak besi cair yang dituang kedalam
acuan untuk membuat enjin block. Memang proton ada mengimpot enjin tapi
dari kelas 1.2 dan 2 liter. 1.2l untuk Savvy (enjin Renault) dan 2l untuk
Perdana. Tapi untuk enjin 1.3, 1.5, 1.6 proton buat sendiri. Untuk pintu
pulakK hanya kereta kereta Perdana sahaja yang proton beli pintu dari
Mitsubishi. For your information, Untuk membuat pintu sahaja memerlukan
dekat 20 acuan. Bayangkan lah 4 pintu. Modal itu shaja sudah hampir
RM50juta. So untuk kereta yang volume kecil, kita beli dari luar. Untuk
kereta Isawara, Wira, Waja, Gen2, SavvyK 100% body dibuat di Malaysia.
Bayangkan dah 20 tahun menanti kereta Malaysia yang sebenarnya tak keluar-
keluar lagi.Bagi yang berkemampuan sudah tentu tak mahu menggunakan injin
kenderaan berteknologi 70an, 80an dan 90an yang diubahsuai. Sudah tentu
ramai nak teknologi terkini dan sebenarnya milik kita. Secara umumnya
proton masih belum ada enjin sendiri lagi..jadi adalah sukar hendak
dikatakan kalau ianya adalah kereta Malaysia yang sebenarnya. Pengeluaran
kenderaan adalah berdasar injinnya barulah boleh dikatakan ianya
kenderaan negara sebenarnya.
Disini lagi ada misinformation. Memang untuk kereta Perdana kita impot
enjin dari Jepun. Untuk Savvy kita guna kan enjin Renault. Untuk Isawara,
Wira dan Waja kita buat enjin di Malaysia walaupun design original dia
dari Mitsubishi. Tapi enjin Gen-2 adalah enjin terkini yang di reka oleh
jurutera Proton dan dibina di Malaysia. Enjin tersebut menggunakan
teknologi terkini. Jadi kenyataan diatas agak menyesatkan sedikit. Naza,
PeroduaK. Masih lagi membawa enjin dari luar. Modal untuk mereka dan
mengeluarkan enjin ni amat besar. Nak dapat return pun bukan nya sekejap.
Tapi demi maruah dan kemajuan, kita korbankan keuntungan jangka pendek.
Selagi kita tidak mengeluarkan enjin sendiri..selagi itu kita tidak tahu.
Sekarang kita telah pun mengeluarkan enjin sendiriK orang masih tidak
percaya. Itu lah masalah orang kitaK memandang rendah kebolehan anak
negara sendiri.
Selama ini proton bergantung kepada Mitshubishi sebagai rakan teknikal.
Oleh kerana kontrak selama 20 tahun telah tamat. Maka proton terpaksalah
mencari rakan teknikal yang baru dan bermulalah masalah melanda proton.
Sudah tentu rakan teknikal baru tidak mahu meneruskan rekaan dan
teknologi mitshubishi lagi. So apa kan jadi pada kereta proton yang ada
sekarang ni untuk masa akan datang.
Tidak wujud kontrak 20 tahun dengan Mitsubishi. Mereka adalah rakan
kongsi. Bertahun tahun kita berkerjasama dengan Mitsubishi tetapi
teknikal apa yang mereka turunkan. Kalau kita pernah berkerja dengan
orang Jepun atau Korea, mereka inilah yang paling kemut ilmu. Tapi bab
nak korek ilmu kita, dia orang rajin habis. Atuk jangan terkejut bila
saya cakap yang idea kita pun banyak yang Jepun curi. So bila kita mula
menuntut teknologi baru dari merekaK mula lah nak caj dan nak ikat
royalti yang tak munasabah. Nak mintak copy teknikal drawing zaman dulu
sekeping pun dia orang caj beribu ribu. Mula lah R3 i [ [ dS3 t fooled by that.\n\na lot of investors will take 3-5 year loans for houses and sapu clean new \nhousing projects before they are launch. once it is ready (usually 2-3 \nyears), they sell and make some profit from there.\n\nplus, i suspect when you see \"SOLD OUT\" it sometimes just means a certain \npercentage reserved by the agents themselves to \n1) make $$$ by selling when price goes up\n2) give the impression the project so popular all sold out.\n\nimagine if you have rm200k in your bank. you keep in bank for 2 years, \nlet\'s say interest rate 4%, it will grow by RM16,000. but if you put that \ninto a house in new project and keep for 2 years, i\'m sure you can make \nmore than RM16,000. \n\ni know some crazy people who say \"if i have rm300k, i will buy 10 houses \nof RM300k each and pay RM30k downpayment for each of them. then i rent \nand collect passive income\" quite siao....coz it\'s very risky! \n\nthere\'s no shortcut...have to work harder only. but it\'s so sian to see \nfriends family and yourself stuck in 30 year housing loan. can u imagine \nby the time u\'re 50 or 60 years old still paying rmxxxx per month for \nhome. sigh... a INSERT INTO ibf_posts (pid, edit_time, author_id, author_name, ip_address, post_date, topic_id, post_title, new_topic, edit_name, post_key, post_parent, post, old_UserID) VALUES ('1142977', '', '13510', 'droll', '218.186.12.11','1182329352', '71875', 'Malaysian Standard of Living', '0', 'droll', 'b801d49110dbe24991d2a81a04ba1bf2', '15378', 'topdriver, don\'t get fooled by that.\n\na lot of investors will take 3-5 year loans for houses and sapu clean new \nhousing projects before they are launch. once it is ready (usually 2-3 \nyears), they sell and make some profit from there.\n\nplus, i suspect when you see \"SOLD OUT\" it sometimes just means a certain \npercentage reserved by the agents themselves to \n1) make $$$ by selling when price goes up\n2) give the impression the project so popular all sold out.\n\nimagine if you have rm200k in your bank. you keep in bank for 2 years, \nlet\'s say interest rate 4%, it will grow by RM16,000. but if you put that \ninto a house in new project and keep for 2 years, i\'m sure you can make \nmore than RM16,000. \n\ni know some crazy people who say \"if i have rm300k, i will buy 10 houses \nof RM300k each and pay RM30k downpayment for each of them. then i rent \nand collect passive income\" quite siao....coz it\'s very risky! \n\nthere\'s no shortcut...have to work harder only. but it\'s so sian to see \nfriends family and yourself stuck in 30 year housing loan. can u imagine \nby the time u\'re 50 or 60 years old still paying rmxxxx per month for \nhome. sigh...','droll@1'); l you _ f f dS3 ing \nto die soon like many others, all the wrongdoing will be exposed 1 day, \nnothing to hide eventually, why don\'t we do something good & right for \nthe country, for the people....\nOur bumi has a wrong concept now, this place is theirs, that kind of \nattitude can kill the whole nation, shallow, childish & petty...\nWhy China can be so successful in such a short time? How Japanese killed \nchinese in 2nd world war, Premier Wen has no problem to visit &befriend \nwith Jap, past is past, look forward & take care of his people...','lakeside@1');
@ h h L ionaire, no shame at all, do I respect such fools??? haha...I don\'t
even bother to look 1 eye on such hopeless people....
That is the difference, how powerful you are in the past, you are going
to die soon like many others, all the wrongdoing will be exposed 1 day,
nothing to hide eventually, why don\'t we do something good & right for
the country, for the people....
Our bumi has a wrong concept now, this place is theirs, that kind of
attitude can kill the whole nation, shallow, childish & petty...
Why China can be so successful in such a short time? How Japanese killed
chinese in 2nd world war, Premier Wen has no problem to visit &befriend
with Jap, past is past, look forward & take care of his people... H Bribery, greediness....are in the blood of our top down people besides \nracial & meritocracy....\nIf you can \'eat RM10M or even RM100M or even RM1B, that is enough for \nyour next 3 generation to spend, why when they start to take under table \nmoney, they have no limit to it????\nlook at Warren Buffet, 2nd richest man in the world, lead a simple life \nin a small town, donate USD30B of his wealth to charity, these money is \nearned thru\' a proper business way unlike our....\nOur xxx \'makan\' all money for personal agenda, overnight becomes \nBillionaire, no shame at all, do I respect such fools??? haha...I don\'t \neven bother to look 1 eye on such hopeless people....\nThat is the difference, how powerful you are in the past, you are going \nto die soon like many others, all the wrongdoing will be exposed 1 day, \nnothing to hide eventually, why don\'t we do something good & right for \nthe country, for the people....\nOur bumi has a wrong concept now, this place is theirs, that kind of \nattitude can kill the whole nation, shallow, childish & petty...\nWhy China can be so successful in such a short time? How Japanese killed \nchinese in 2nd world war, Premier Wen has no problem to visit &befriend \nwith Jap, past is past, look forward & take care of his people... world ` INSERT INTO ibf_posts (pid, edit_time, author_id, author_name, ip_address, post_date, topic_id, post_title, new_topic, edit_name, post_key, post_parent, post, old_UserID) VALUES ('1142975', '', '53424', 'lakeside', '124.82.82.107','1181918124', '71875', 'Malaysian Standard of Living', '0', 'lakeside', '7481f01412577cde74a47787bad5e095', '15296', 'Bribery, greediness....are in the blood of our top down people besides \nracial & meritocracy....\nIf you can \'eat RM10M or even RM100M or even RM1B, that is enough for \nyour next 3 generation to spend, why when they start to take under table \nmoney, they have no limit to it????\nlook at Warren Buffet, 2nd richest man in the world, lead a simple life \nin a small town, donate USD30B of his wealth to charity, these money is \nearned thru\' a proper business way unlike our....\nOur xxx \'makan\' all money for personal agenda, overnight becomes \nBillionaire, no shame at all, do I respect such fools??? haha...I don\'t \neven bother to look 1 eye on such hopeless people....\nThat is the difference, how powerful you are in the past, you are going \nto die soon like many others, all the wrongdoing will be exposed 1 day, \nnothing to hide eventually, why don\'t we do something good & right for \nthe country, for the people....\nOur bumi has a wrong concept now, this place is theirs, that kind of \nattitude can kill the whole nation, shallow, childish & petty...\nWhy China can be so successful in such a short time? How Japanese killed \nchinese in 2nd world war, Premier Wen has no problem to visit &befriend \nwith Jap, past is past, look forward & take care of his people...','lakeside@1'); M w w dS3 refunds/payments can be financed from the subsidies that the govt \ndoesn\'t have to pay anymore. lyXM 1 Hx Hx dS3 rom high fuel prices.
The tax refunds/payments can be financed from the subsidies that the govt
doesn\'t have to pay anymore. al dL y y dS3 ange! Too Fragile design!) In genaral as compare with all others make i \nshould say is not too far away, just Malaysian behave like once you are fall \ngive you few more step on the face hope you die faster!\n\nAll the above need Human to run! Therefore PROTON also need to change \non Human resorces, input more cream people even does not care what race! \nApply work competition internally, increase pay standard set up fit will \nsurvive! No more longer having permament job feel! (of cause its base start \nlike Government servant back from 1985) All this need to be change!\n\nBasically all the equipment of design and built vehicle in PROTON have \nreach a World standard! (Imagine more than 400 Robot in TM Plant) in some \nsence it is even better then VW plant in Germany! This create same \nsituation like operate a restorant! Having tip top Kitchen equipment, does not \nmeans you will have best food in town!\n\nPull out all the influence from Government like NEP, protection to certain \nrace, Politics, apply real Global ball game rules! I still strongly believed \nPROTON can become a good and competitive company in Malaysia which \ncan serve Malaysian need! (Personally is better to hold by Privat company, \nlike Genthing, Hong Leong Group, Tan Chong... so on experience and cash \nrich companies! Why Government need to Manage this company, just \nremain as small share holder will do! However with condition can not sell to \nany others Foreign company.)\n\nImagine our neighbour country Thailand so call small Detroit in Asia, so \nwhat! They are having trade defecit unlike us in Malaysia we have surplus!!! \nThai people will forever work for all this invester! If there is No more \nPROTON, we only live with all Foreign companies or Investers like \nPERODUA (TOYOTA group) once they change the main parts like ENG and \nTransmission parts from Malaysia back to Japan or other base, it already \ncreate a very big impact of Trade balance between Malaysia and Japan! \n\nImagine PROTON close down how it effect the jobless and unemployment \nrate will increase in Malaysia! Can the Government hold, social problem who \ncan controll!\n\nIt is too late to discuss should the Nasitional project start! Is to change and \nmake it stronger, it can not fail! The impact is too great, eve\0R3\0 \0\0\0\0PROTON can not simply change to manufacture Luxury car \"niche market\" \nfrom mass production base technolgy from Mitsubishi! Work force is too big! \nHowever your idea is still good for PROTON to regain the brand name and \nconfidence from Public!\n\nFrom my personal view point:\n\nWhat PROTON should consider a model of 2.0 ~ 2.4l vehicle which having \nextreme tip top quality sedan vehicle which finally bear (Lotus) brand vehicle \nto market! And this come with also the SUV & MPV like Toyota Harrier, \nNISSAN Serena level. Of cause it need huge investment again on Platform \nand test if it go by its own design! However it might be cheaper if getting it \nfrom example SangYong group (Now belong to China) like Rexton by \nexchange PROTON current platform GEN2, WAJA to them which they do \nnot have any Sedan Platform!\n\nLook back to the quality of WAJA, GEN2, even latest Savvy! Most of the \ncomplain come from Internal trim, or Power window or Noice... then Service! \nNot so much on Eng and Transmission, accept Perdana V6 having a lot of \nthe complain on AT!\n\nWhat i would like to highlight is imporve all the Internal Plastic parts of \nWAJA, GEN2 and Maybe a Japanese Eng + Transmission version on \nSa','tankh@1');
1125H I or Proton', '0', 'tankh', '62d7d55542688cf828bb743729f20717', '14206', 'PROTON can not simply change to manufacture Luxury car \"niche market\" \nfrom mass production base technolgy from Mitsubishi! Work force is too big! \nHowever your idea is still good for PROTON to regain the brand name and \nconfidence from Public!\n\nFrom my personal view point:\n\nWhat PROTON should consider a model of 2.0 ~ 2.4l vehicle which having \nextreme tip top quality sedan vehicle which finally bear (Lotus) brand vehicle \nto market! And this come with also the SUV & MPV like Toyota Harrier, \nNISSAN Serena level. Of cause it need huge investment again on Platform \nand test if it go by its own design! However it might be cheaper if getting it \nfrom example SangYong group (Now belong to China) like Rexton by \nexchange PROTON current platform GEN2, WAJA to them which they do \nnot have any Sedan Platform!\n\nLook back to the quality of WAJA, GEN2, even latest Savvy! Most of the \ncomplain come from Internal trim, or Power window or Noice... then Service! \nNot so much on Eng and Transmission, accept Perdana V6 having a lot of \nthe complain on AT!\n\nWhat i would like to highlight is imporve all the Internal Plastic parts of \nWAJA, GEN2 and Maybe a Japanese Eng + Transmission version on \nSavvy with Consider some External body face lift i do strongly believed the \nSales definately come back after all this change! (Perhaps also consider set \nup corporation with OEM Technical modify models like AMG in Benz, this \ngive certain PROTON customer which need a Difference type of PROTON \ncar which they do not mind to pay more.)\n\nRemember there is also many good points from PROTON cars too! Like Air-\ncon quality! WAJA right and handling! Styling form Gen2 as interior and \nexterior! (Just improve slighly but GEN2 internal door hander is a must to \nchange! Too Fragile design!) In genaral as compare with all others make i \nshould say is not too far away, just Malaysian behave like once you are fall \ngive you few more step on the face hope you die faster!\n\nAll the above need Human to run! Therefore PROTON also need to change \non Human resorces, input more cream people even does not care what race! \nApply work competition internally, increase pay standard set up fit will \nsurvive! No more longer having permament job feel! (of cause its base start \nlike Government servant back from 1985) All this need to be change!\n\nBasically all the equipment of design and built vehicle in PROTON have \nreach a World standard! (Imagine more than 400 Robot in TM Plant) in some \nsence it is even better then VW plant in Germany! This create same \nsituation like operate a restorant! Having tip top Kitchen equipment, does not \nmeans you will have best food in town!\n\nPull out all the influence from Government like NEP, protection to certain \nrace, Politics, apply real Global ball game rules! I still strongly believed \nPROTON can become a good and competitive company in Malaysia which \ncan serve Malaysian need! (Personally is better to hold by Privat company, \nlike Genthing, Hong Leong Group, Tan Chong... so on experience and cash \nrich companies! Why Government need to Manage this company, just \nremain as small share holder will do! However with condition can not sell to \nany others Foreign company.)\n\nImagine our neighbour country Thailand so call small Detroit in Asia, so \nwhat! They are having trade defecit unlike us in Malaysia we have surplus!!! \nThai people will forever work for all this invester! If there is No more \nPROTON, we only live with all Foreign companies or Investers like \nPERODUA (TOYOTA group) once they change the main parts like ENG and \nTransmission parts from Malaysia back to Japan or other base, it already \ncreate a very big impact of Trade balance between Malaysia and Japan! \n\nImagine PROTON close down how it effect the jobless and unemployment \nrate will increase in Malaysia! Can the Government hold, social problem who \ncan controll!\n\nIt is too late to discuss should the Nasitional project start! Is to change and \nmake it stronger, it can not fail! The impact is too great, eve\0R3\0 \0\0\0\0PROTON can not simply change to manufacture Luxury car \"niche market\" \nfrom mass production base technolgy from Mitsubishi! Work force is too big! \nHowever your idea is still good for PROTON to regain the brand name and \nconfidence from Public!\n\nFrom my personal view point:\n\nWhat PROTON should consider a model of 2.0 ~ 2.4l vehicle which having \nextreme tip top quality sedan vehicle which finally bear (Lotus) brand vehicle \nto market! And this come with also the SUV & MPV like Toyota Harrier, \nNISSAN Serena level. Of cause it need huge investment again on Platform \nand test if it go by its own design! However it might be cheaper if getting it \nfrom example SangYong group (Now belong to China) like Rexton by \nexchange PROTON current platform GEN2, WAJA to them which they do \nnot have any Sedan Platform!\n\nLook back to the quality of WAJA, GEN2, even latest Savvy! Most of the \ncomplain come from Internal trim, or Power window or Noice... then Service! \nNot so much on Eng and Transmission, accept Perdana V6 having a lot of \nthe complain on AT!\n\nWhat i would like to highlight is imporve all the Internal Plastic parts of \nWAJA, GEN2 and Maybe a Japanese Eng + Transmission version on \nSa', I p@ INSERT INTO ibf_posts (pid, edit_time, author_id, author_name, ip_address, post_date, topic_id, post_title, new_topic, edit_name, post_key, post_parent, post, old_UserID) VALUES ('1142794', '', '51530', 'tankh', '60.48.193.80','1125851832', '71864', 'Lessons for Proton', '0', 'tankh', '62d7d55542688cf828bb743729f20717', '14206', 'PROTON can not simply change to manufacture Luxury car \"niche market\" \nfrom mass production base technolgy from Mitsubishi! Work force is too big! \nHowever your idea is still good for PROTON to regain the brand name and \nconfidence from Public!\n\nFrom my personal view point:\n\nWhat PROTON should consider a model of 2.0 ~ 2.4l vehicle which having \nextreme tip top quality sedan vehicle which finally bear (Lotus) brand vehicle \nto market! And this come with also the SUV & MPV like Toyota Harrier, \nNISSAN Serena level. Of cause it need huge investment again on Platform \nand test if it go by its own design! However it might be cheaper if getting it \nfrom example SangYong group (Now belong to China) like Rexton by \nexchange PROTON current platform GEN2, WAJA to them which they do \nnot have any Sedan Platform!\n\nLook back to the quality of WAJA, GEN2, even latest Savvy! Most of the \ncomplain come from Internal trim, or Power window or Noice... then Service! \nNot so much on Eng and Transmission, accept Perdana V6 having a lot of \nthe complain on AT!\n\nWhat i would like to highlight is imporve all the Internal Plastic parts of \nWAJA, GEN2 and Maybe a Japanese Eng + Transmission version on \nSavvy with Consider some External body face lift i do strongly believed the \nSales definately come back after all this change! (Perhaps also consider set \nup corporation with OEM Technical modify models like AMG in Benz, this \ngive certain PROTON customer which need a Difference type of PROTON \ncar which they do not mind to pay more.)\n\nRemember there is also many good points from PROTON cars too! Like Air-\ncon quality! WAJA right and handling! Styling form Gen2 as interior and \nexterior! (Just improve slighly but GEN2 internal door hander is a must to \nchange! Too Fragile design!) In genaral as compare with all others make i \nshould say is not too far away, just Malaysian behave like once you are fall \ngive you few more step on the face hope you die faster!\n\nAll the above need Human to run! Therefore PROTON also need to change \non Human resorces, input more cream people even does not care what race! \nApply work competition internally, increase pay standard set up fit will \nsurvive! No more longer having permament job feel! (of cause its base start \nlike Government servant back from 1985) All this need to be change!\n\nBasically all the equipment of design and built vehicle in PROTON have \nreach a World standard! (Imagine more than 400 Robot in TM Plant) in some \nsence it is even better then VW plant in Germany! This create same \nsituation like operate a restorant! Having tip top Kitchen equipment, does not \nmeans you will have best food in town!\n\nPull out all the influence from Government like NEP, protection to certain \nrace, Politics, apply real Global ball game rules! I still strongly believed \nPROTON can become a good and competitive company in Malaysia which \ncan serve Malaysian need! (Personally is better to hold by Privat company, \nlike Genthing, Hong Leong Group, Tan Chong... so on experience and cash \nrich companies! Why Government need to Manage this company, just \nremain as small share holder will do! However with condition can not sell to \nany others Foreign company.)\n\nImagine our neighbour country Thailand so call small Detroit in Asia, so \nwhat! They are having trade defecit unlike us in Malaysia we have surplus!!! \nThai people will forever work for all this invester! If there is No more \nPROTON, we only live with all Foreign companies or Investers like \nPERODUA (TOYOTA group) once they change the main parts like ENG and \nTransmission parts from Malaysia back to Japan or other base, it already \ncreate a very big impact of Trade balance between Malaysia and Japan! \n\nImagine PROTON close down how it effect the jobless and unemployment \nrate will increase in Malaysia! Can the Government hold, social problem who \ncan controll!\n\nIt is too late to discuss should the Nasitional project start! Is to change and \nmake it stronger, it can not fail! The impact is too great, eve\0R3\0 \0\0\0\0PROTON can not simply change to manufacture Luxury car \"niche market\" \nfrom mass production base technolgy from Mitsubishi! Work force is too big! \nHowever your idea is still good for PROTON to regain the brand name and \nconfidence from Public!\n\nFrom my personal view point:\n\nWhat PROTON should consider a model of 2.0 ~ 2.4l vehicle which having \nextreme tip top quality sedan vehicle which finally bear (Lotus) brand vehicle \nto market! And this come with also the SUV & MPV like Toyota Harrier, \nNISSAN Serena level. Of cause it need huge investment again on Platform \nand test if it go by its own design! However it might be cheaper if getting it \nfrom example SangYong group (Now belong to China) like Rexton by \nexchange PROTON current platform GEN2, WAJA to them which they do \nnot have any Sedan Platform!\n\nLook back to the quality of WAJA, GEN2, even latest Savvy! Most of the \ncomplain come from Internal trim, or Power window or Noice... then Service! \nNot so much on Eng and Transmission, accept Perdana V6 having a lot of \nthe complain on AT!\n\nWhat i would like to highlight is imporve all the Internal Plastic parts of \nWAJA, GEN2 and Maybe a Japanese Eng + Transmission version on \nSa','tankh@1'); AJA to I , ]not have any Sedan Platform!
Look back to the quality of WAJA, GEN2, even latest Savvy! Most of the
complain come from Internal trim, or Power window or Noice... then Service!
Not so much on Eng and Transmission, accept Perdana V6 having a lot of
the complain on AT!
What i would like to highlight is imporve all the Internal Plastic parts of
WAJA, GEN2 and Maybe a Japanese Eng + Transmission version on
Sa only y ,
kaw2 until 35k!
if they declare ard RM25k then selling price should be ard RM60k
the dealers/importers here declare lower price to cut taxes but
declare higher prices when selling to customers blaming the G!
G also is to blame for their exorbitant taxes but dealers..aiyo,please la.
Dun add salt to the wound!
d studP
P P XS3 o know what we are actually paying for in a car these
days. Take for an example the 407 - actual cost is only around Euro6795
but with everything added in as follows.....
Euro 6795 x 4.9565 = 33,679.42
Freight Insurance = 92.61
Port Charges = 22.00
CIF Value = 33,794.03 (cost, insurance, and freight)
Import Duty (100%) = 33,794.03
Excise Duty (70%) = 23,655.82
Total = 91,243.88
Sales Tax (10%) = 9,124.39
Total Cost = 100,368.27
Car Selling Price = 159,500.00
Cost = 100,368.27
Profit = 59,131.73 ???
In another words, to buy myself one car, I also have to buy two
for the goverment, and another two more for the car importer/dealer.
they can even lower the price 25% if they want.it is just they don`t want
to reduce their big fat profit.
u think they sell cars as what they stated on paper?No profit?c`mon
guys,They always blame the G la,tax la but what abt their big fat margin?
This is another example:
Tax for 2005
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Toyota Vios 1.5G A
Price before tax : 31,800
Import tax : 0 (0% import tax 2005)
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Price with import duty = RM31,800
Excise Duty : 28,620 (90% excise duty 2005)
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Price with Excise duty = RM60,420
Sales Tax : 6,042 (10% sales tax)
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Price with Sales tax = RM66,462
Plus Accessories 12,595
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Retail Price = RM79,057 (without reg., road tax, insurance)
======
OTR Price for Vios `05 = RM81,815.70
so,where is their profit?sell cars for free aa?
its nothing really wrong with dealers making excessive profits as is
a \"free market\" as supposedly is - but this thread is abt whether dealers
are making alot esp from each car - and the simple answer is yes and esp
so for perceived \"high class\" cars like that of the perceived 3-pointed
star. Thats it. probably shd put in on the rich or noveau rich to keep
the perception-only that only some cars are \"elite\" and therefore allow
the dealers to make tons out of them; which the dealers shd from such
shallow headed people. Frankly a supposedly prestige manufacturer that
also makes common buses, lorries, mini-vans and even small cars - is
not \"prestigious\" enough - afterall a bus driver can also say he\'s
driving a merc and so does a van driver - alongside a driver driving a
basic E200 merc.
it is ok to make profit but be realistic la.
eg vios price from 35k factory price sell at 81k market price how come?
factory price must be around RM15-20k only.So this toyol guys mark up
kaw2 until 35k!
if they declare ard RM25k then selling price should be ard RM60k
the dealers/importers here declare lower price to cut taxes but
declare higher prices when selling to customers blaming the G!
G also is to blame for their exorbitant taxes but dealers..aiyo,please la.
Dun add salt to the wound!
f all
ظ (opps, already doing so),
Naza, Inokom etc.
Car ownership by way of monthly wage:
0- RM1000 - Boon Passo
1000-2000 - Avanza
2000-3000 - vios
3000-4000 - hilux
4000-5000 - innova
5000-6000 - altis
more than that - camry
Motorcycle to be given freely out for those against the policy - Locally
Taiwan made ones off course.
Those in the motor industry to be absorbed by SCs to work as pomens.
Cheers
y i h .i can switch it on...after auto off...no stanby/CD/radio mode...the
audio system is totally off hl y xH H y hE y!
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I8 y (M S l 0 y (that politically elite few) even want to squeeze extra dough from disabled people.
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this is what The Monkey and The Dirty Monkey\'s appeal for \'fairness\'
and \'understanding\' from the gahmen.
t??? age... y 8 @ he....jaga2 masa kopek sticker Felio tu..jangan sampai kena tangkap
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so unreasonable of me..
so
i want a cheaper car, preferably small capacity,high tech diesel with lower
road tax..
it\'s a win win situation for me...
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cheers,
wps ' y ( R3 lower car price
because the more u use the more u pay
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give money to these people. ty y Xl 6872182', '54958', 'juara k-car?', '0', 'g88', '580e9f52b9fa495934347c4396d5a847', '121962', 'Really ?', , y TE ibf_topics SET posts='11', last_post='1168833747', last_poster_name='lantoi',last_poster_userid='lantoi@1', last_poster_id='44741' WHERE tid='71871';
y education prob then what? See ppl in SG and JPN. Do you think parents
there not busy? Why they Q? y ` h - y ably it is in their heads that beating the jam is considered
an \'emergency\' for themselves... ' y y ; 9867415', '68776', 'Modenas SC in Shah Alam ', '0', 'ugack', 'dde71a508fc8b4db2f649053b8f18449', '14492', ' y `4 Government is useless, it is time to chan g 5 @ A TR3 h 0 8x awRating q $R3 ( y h beli kat gombak..
skangg nie memang standard arr..
Mantizz on the road 4400..
ko round kat mana??
', ) y y ard my fren there got spycam for speed trap at jalan mahameru to pj
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