[silver16v]

Just to clarify that mycitroen.org has never organise any trip whatsoever
and i actually never heard about this incidents. But i agree convoying
even at normal highway limits especially following each other car closely
is dangerous.

Those people are not even Autoworld or mycitroen.org forummer coz we have
not seen any publicity on the trip in both forums. Maybe those ppl who
happenned to have mycitroen.org stickers on their cars. Too bad, see..
what would happen if they belongs to a registered club!!!

If there would be any activities planned for citroen group, be it
Autoworld or mycitroen.org surely ppl would put it up in the forum just
like TT/DIY, GPI or some group trip like the recent one organised by
johnckl (i would like to join in nx time if i got free time).

cheers

[vonnig]

i believe that all of us have one thing in common and that would be our
passion for our citroens... no matter how we drive them. because
ultimately we own our cars and how we treat it, is our business... BUT
the question is how well do you want your car to run? and how often do
you want it in the workshop... if you don`t treat your car well, your car
will not be at it`s best... then who suffers? it`s definitely not those
ppl who are pointing fingers and saying "Citroen no good, alwiz
breakdown"... it`s gonna be the owner that suffers the most... firstly
from humiliation/shame and then burning a big hole in the pocket when
they find that a "simple" thing like changing the water pump when it was
time could have prevented the engine from failing...

i just hope to have all the citroens to be combined under one roof...
firstly, is to prevent unwary owners or potential owners from being
fleeced by those workshops that are unethical in their practice or
unprofessional in their dealings or lack the technical know-how... and in
the first place, from buying a badly maintained citroen and suffering
from it later... afterwhich ZX/Xsara owners who wanna go racing ON THE
TRACK... go ahead... it doesn`t matter... the hydro owners can LHM all
they want... but most importantly, i find that if you`re a true
enthusiast and wanna learn more about your car, take the time to learn
it`s history and why the citroen is what it is today... group trips are
fun and we have done it on ocassion... esp when you get wide eyed stares
at the number of citroens in all shapes and sizes in a row... TTs were
fun and real good for laughs and stress relieving...

ultimately, it`s nice to know that when you pass the next citroen on the
road, we belong to an elite group who share the joy and passion (and of
course the problems ) of the driving the car we own!

cheers everyone!!!

note: i hope i haven`t contradicted myself in anything above... but
that`s how i feel the citroen club should be... if there should be a
club... the most important thing is the COMMITMENT of the
committee/organisers to execute the duties/functions given to them... and
the SUPPORT of the members/participants... without which nothing will
ever be accomplished...

EDITED ONE PORTION ABOUT RACING FOR CORRECTNESS.

[citroenreign]

well said vonnig, muffdiver and silver16v ...

good to know the spirit and togetherness is still burning hot. keep up
the good work guys .. it's always good to know that you are not the only
one owning a citroen.

Cheers ... a lifetime's not too long to live as buddies !



Ray

[KenXantia]

citronking... I also never heard about the incident.. well said muffdiver,
silver16V and vonning ....

At least all owners still share the same interest on their citroen car,
citroen technologies and togetherness.

So if someone who like to register a citroen club.. go for it... I believe
many members/forumers will give u support.. as what we have discussed for
some mycitroen.org forumers...the technical site, will be as a platform of
all citroen owners all over the malaysia and world sharing and discussing
their interest, problems and anything related to the citroen car and will
keep it origin as an ONLINE TECHNICAL site for all citroen owners.

[nistelrooy]

Concerning modification obsessed ZX owners,

I can understand that it would be a sin if you started to put tacky
aftermarket rims and spoilers and what not on a Ferrari 360, Lamborghini
Gallardo or closer to home, a Citroen DS.

But the ZX, while good, is just an unassuming hatchback, which will never
be a classic nor acheive legendary status amongst the hot hatch brigade
like the Pug 205 gti or Golf Gti.

An untouched, virginal ZX in original trim won't fetch any extra value(it
never had any credible monetary value to begin with), except perhaps for
personal satisfaction.

No motoring museum or individual collector in the years to come will come
hunting for a mint ZX in original form and offer loads of money to the
owner to part with it.

If you're a purist, then by all means yes, keep the car in its original
form. In terms of handling, perhaps it is better left untouched.

But I just want to say that the ZX is hardly the type of car where
modifying it would be deemed sacrilege.

[6999]

yeah, while the truth hurts, I'm considering a pair of hydraulics...maybe
the last batch of the conventional ones before xantias...

But we've to pay tribute to zx/xsara owners though, if not because of
them, this marque will be long gone. The best seller of all time:
zx/ax/saxo.
Sometimes, its the bottom line that counts...

[nistelrooy]

yeah,
Sales of the zx and saxo was what kept the company afloat.

I wasn't puttin down ZX owners (i have one), rather I was just pointing
out that its no big deal really if you want to modify it.

[6999]

All you need for the zx is a good set of tyres & brighter headlamps. The
suspension system is almost perfect, much better than the cefiro & beemer
I've driven so far, in terms of comfort level & handling.
I've learnt that if you want performance, go buy a sports car(eg.Alfa,
Audi, etc). We've to realise that certain things is best kept as it is.

No offence to these owners. Just my personal opinion & experience...

[samlsc]

Different ppl have different sets of taste and level of enjoyment. And the
common thing for all of us is that we own a Citroen each. Not only that,
we're here in this Citroen Club because we are proud of the car we own. I
believe all of us here have had comments by their friends/family about
buying useless junks and expensive Citroen parts.

I think it's OK for some members for not knowing the history of Citroen etc
etc., because some just haven't reached that level, or do not have the
resources to do so. But to think about it, it is also our duty as members
to educate each other about this right? And also everything under the roof
of Citroen. We don't wanna have seperate groups, such as LHMs and non-LHMs.
What use is that? We're different, but we're still under the same parent.

Each of us here has the divine right to do anything to our own car. You may
love your own modification, but hated but others. But that's not the point.
The point is that all of us are here together as one. If a person were to
change to an 18' rims for his ZX, it may just be a plain fact that he
doens't know what he's getting into. I believe our Club here is to help
each other. We give advises, but whether it is taken is up to the
individual. I, myself has received many many good advices and met many
great ppl in this Citroen Club. Without this club, I would be a total loss
with my French babe.

[DIRAVIdude]

Hmmmm.....

What do I want in a Citroen Club.......

This is a good one. A long time ago Brijo and I tried to organise Citroen Owners into
something called "Club LHM". The emphasis was on hydraulics and most the activities were
to have been technical sessions and how-to-diy-it sessions to help maintain and improvise
MacGuyver get-you-home quick fixes on the hydraulic system.

Of course in those days the number of BX owners was on the wane and Xantia was still being
bought new in the showrooms and their owners didn`t have any desire to DIY their still-
warrantied cars. XM owners of course had no time for car clubs and just sent their drivers
over to Directional to sort out anything that went wrong.

So we were networking with uncles who owned CXs and GS/As and in one case a DS and it
wasn`t easy to get these people into a club with regular meetings- especially since so many
things are internet based nowadays. In the end my CX got mothballed as other more urgent
things demanded my time and I bought an Alfa, then a Peugeot and moved on.

This is why I`ve been quiet and never getting involved in the "current issues" discussions
that feature on here- I simply didn`t have a current Citroen. Now I`m back in the game with
the new purchase of an XM which will be an everyday runner (I hope) this question is
suddenly very relevant.

What DO owners want out of a Citroen club?

As a LHM-head I have to admit that what I want out of any Citroen club I belong to is
guidance and backup. I know the hydraulics are something that one cannot rely upon a
normal mechanic to fix and I know they give trouble. So for me I want my Club to teach me
about this system. How to maintain it, how to look out for early warnings of failure, how to
effect quick roadside fixes so that I can get home and where I can find competent mechanics
in case anything goes wrong when I go outstation.

After all that then I`d want convoys, TTs, and other recreational activities.

It was this requirement that Club LHM was intended to fulfil and immediately it becomes
apparent that any grouping which is oriented towards ZXs will fail to provide for people
wanting LHM-oriented support.

I had this discussion with Silver16v and spygame when we went down to Sepang to watch
the F1 qualifiers early this year. I think it is obvious that the very existence of another
"Citroen" club will cause resentment- unless one takes a closer look at things.

The fact is that Citroen made wierd wonderful and extremely advanced cars- so advanced in
fact that the likes of current "premium" marques like BMW Mercedes and Rolld Royce have
either licensed Citroen technology or are only now beginning to come up with their own
implementations. There is one class of Citroen enthusiast who appreciates that.

After the tragic purchase of Citroen by Peugeot/PSA, Citroens lost that heritage and began
producing cars like the ZX which is certainly a very finely engineered car- but nothng
astounding, nothing as full of character as the older Citroens. And there is another class of
Citroen enthusiast whi appreciates THAT.

So net-net as was agreed by Silver16v and me......... a club like Club LHM is no rival to any
ZX oriented club. It would be as wrong for ZX enthusiasts to think they can satisfy LHM
owners just as it would be wrong for LHM people to think that their activities would interest
ZX owners. These are two very distinct and seperate expectations and we all have to
acknowledge the fact.

The thing is that the ZX, Xsara, AX/Tiara and now maybe C3, is so far removed from the
character of the other Citroens, like 2CV, BX, Xantia, C5, CX, DS, XM that ANYTHING which
caters for one MUST NECESSARILY FAIL to cater for the other.

So..... my conclusion is there must be two clubs. One to cater for the sporty racy aspirations
of the ZX/Xsara owners and the other to cater for the needs of the more sedate LHM heads.
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