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Front Shocks, Saga Flx / Blm


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dabdab

Posted 17 November 2012 - 08:48 PM

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spring rate on blm and flx is different,
looking at the front, both ground clearence of blm and flx is nearly the same although i feel that the flx is slight higher. for rear, flx is higher.

i found, during my visit at the garage, front flx's shock has a longer tube with higher spring seat location,

the softer saga blm coil spring is longer therefore it has to seat lower on the abs. to get the correct height.

iv tested both abs and do find out the bump for flx is slightly harder while the rebound is almost the same. (hand tested)

but, the trick is, if flx owner puts blm abs, the result the front end might lower down by an inch.

but if blm owner install flx abs, the car is jacked up nearly an inch higher.


body roll or not im love the blm comfy ride, and already put the OE back in, i become a smiley cruiser at national speed limit. let people overtakes me.


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:53 AM

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YES, this is an important topic that everyone seems to have overlooked. I just bought a new FLX and the car sits way too high. And the suspension is a little too firm. I would not have minded if the high suspension meant long travel and a super comfortable ride, like peugeots of old. The BLM had a much better ride than the FLX. There is very little to complain about the FLX except that the sourcing for Springs and absorbers has gone wrong. My car uses 185/60/14 tyres and yet (although the handling is pretty good) the grip, roadholding is nowhere near my previous Ford Telstar (with much heavier body) with same tyres. This, i supect is due to wrong height settings due to the higher but firmer suspension.

I suspect that this firmer suspension is a result of complaints about "Float" at high speeds. This is a nonsence engineering solution. Proton should have looked at original BLM ride height and softeness, with Front Air Dam to reduce the Lift. A good bumper re-design would have solved that. (this was seen in the excellent spoiler design of the GTi (yes, i had one and it sat as solid a a little rock on the road at Speeds in excess of 180km/h). The ridiculous raising of the car goes against all rules. The angles of the struts and suspension arms are all changed from original geometry. The suspension geometry has been affected and too much airflow under the body. The result of the change in ride height is lowered cornering ability due to geometry change.

If anyone can direct me to a better Spring/absorber solution that gives phenomenal road holding and comfort, i would be a very happy person.

Don't get me wrong, the car is still a very decent car, but with the correct springs and absorbers the car could be super.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 05:10 PM

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ur jus assuming that y thy did it...i think it was bcos the blm had too soft springs when on full load...we all agree the ride is abit too stiff for what is suppose to be a city car...bt i think ur assumption is not corect...

for what i know....if u dont mind the ride height , change the dampers/absorbers only...thy are the one making the ride stiff not the springs...im getting Monroe soon....

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:48 PM

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QUOTE (nknithi @ Jan 7 2013, 09:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
YES, this is an important topic that everyone seems to have overlooked. I just bought a new FLX and the car sits way too high. And the suspension is a little too firm. I would not have minded if the high suspension meant long travel and a super comfortable ride, like peugeots of old. The BLM had a much better ride than the FLX. There is very little to complain about the FLX except that the sourcing for Springs and absorbers has gone wrong. My car uses 185/60/14 tyres and yet (although the handling is pretty good) the grip, roadholding is nowhere near my previous Ford Telstar (with much heavier body) with same tyres. This, i supect is due to wrong height settings due to the higher but firmer suspension.

I suspect that this firmer suspension is a result of complaints about "Float" at high speeds. This is a nonsence engineering solution. Proton should have looked at original BLM ride height and softeness, with Front Air Dam to reduce the Lift. A good bumper re-design would have solved that. (this was seen in the excellent spoiler design of the GTi (yes, i had one and it sat as solid a a little rock on the road at Speeds in excess of 180km/h). The ridiculous raising of the car goes against all rules. The angles of the struts and suspension arms are all changed from original geometry. The suspension geometry has been affected and too much airflow under the body. The result of the change in ride height is lowered cornering ability due to geometry change.

If anyone can direct me to a better Spring/absorber solution that gives phenomenal road holding and comfort, i would be a very happy person.

Don't get me wrong, the car is still a very decent car, but with the correct springs and absorbers the car could be super.


if ur talking about ride height, flx is 5 to 8 mm higher,
components of suspension in front is all 100 percent different. spring, shocks, and arb.

if u like a more compliance ride, blm's suspension is ok. and what should have been done by proton to its blm last time is having the thicker arb like what on the flx now, that will add for a more sure footed act during corner.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 04:37 PM

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QUOTE (nknithi @ Jan 7 2013, 09:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
YES, this is an important topic that everyone seems to have overlooked. I just bought a new FLX and the car sits way too high. And the suspension is a little too firm. I would not have minded if the high suspension meant long travel and a super comfortable ride, like peugeots of old. The BLM had a much better ride than the FLX. There is very little to complain about the FLX except that the sourcing for Springs and absorbers has gone wrong. My car uses 185/60/14 tyres and yet (although the handling is pretty good) the grip, roadholding is nowhere near my previous Ford Telstar (with much heavier body) with same tyres. This, i supect is due to wrong height settings due to the higher but firmer suspension.

I suspect that this firmer suspension is a result of complaints about "Float" at high speeds. This is a nonsence engineering solution. Proton should have looked at original BLM ride height and softeness, with Front Air Dam to reduce the Lift. A good bumper re-design would have solved that. (this was seen in the excellent spoiler design of the GTi (yes, i had one and it sat as solid a a little rock on the road at Speeds in excess of 180km/h). The ridiculous raising of the car goes against all rules. The angles of the struts and suspension arms are all changed from original geometry. The suspension geometry has been affected and too much airflow under the body. The result of the change in ride height is lowered cornering ability due to geometry change.

If anyone can direct me to a better Spring/absorber solution that gives phenomenal road holding and comfort, i would be a very happy person.

Don't get me wrong, the car is still a very decent car, but with the correct springs and absorbers the car could be super.


my suggestion, if you want the car (your flx) to absorb bump and irregularities nicely, lower stance for the look as well as reducing underbody air, batter c.g. and considerably reduced bodyroll at the expence of original shocks and ARB (thicker than the blm's) . get the - gab sp series coil spring.

a decent proper front air dam, and rear ducktail might give it a bonus on a highway speed stability,

but the sport spring have shorter stroke action due to lowering purpose so the ride is less plush compared to OE springs.

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Posted 26 October 2014 - 12:37 AM

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hi!

I bought a second-hand SAGA BLM which was lowered.
I thought it looked cool but with my family in the car, my tires are always scrapping the wheel bay, specially the ones at the rear.
So I opted to install brand new original coil springs.
However, it seems that the height of the car is much taller than the original.
The mechanic says its ok. but I have serious doubts.
Any ideas of what could have gone wrong?