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jasondotcom

Posted 14 October 2009 - 10:00 AM

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Like the topic states, what auto gearbox is used in Persona? I read in the manual book.... it states Invecs II?

Can someone clarify this?

 


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Posted 14 October 2009 - 10:23 AM

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The Persona's auto gearbox is Mitsubishi's F4A42 4-speed automatic transmission. It's a conventional torque converter type auto gearbox. This transmission first appeared (as far as Proton is concerned) in the Waja, but has since continued to see usage in all the Campro-powered models.

INVECS-II refers to the control system used by the transmission. In most applications by Mitsubishi, the INVECS-II system comes with Tiptronic-style manual overriding.

From personal experience, this gearbox has quite an aggressive shifting programme.

Here's some official info on the INVECS-II from Mitsubishi UK: http://www.mitsubish...ures/invecs.asp


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Posted 14 October 2009 - 11:47 AM

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QUOTE (TheGunner @ Oct 14 2009, 10:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Persona's auto gearbox is Mitsubishi's F4A42 4-speed automatic transmission. It's a conventional torque converter type auto gearbox. This transmission first appeared (as far as Proton is concerned) in the Waja, but has since continued to see usage in all the Campro-powered models.

INVECS-II refers to the control system used by the transmission. In most applications by Mitsubishi, the INVECS-II system comes with Tiptronic-style manual overriding.

From personal experience, this gearbox has quite an aggressive shifting programme.

Here's some official info on the INVECS-II from Mitsubishi UK: http://www.mitsubish...ures/invecs.asp




Thanks for the reply. Btw, where you get this infor?

So i would say the tranny used in persona AT is the lower spec version of Mitsubishi Invecs II tranny right?


And what you mean by "quite an aggressive shifting programme"? I want to hear your opinion.




 


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Posted 14 October 2009 - 12:07 PM

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QUOTE (jasondotcom @ Oct 14 2009, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks for the reply. Btw, where you get this infor?


It's quite common info that all the Campro-powered Protons use the same manual and auto gearboxes. One exception is the manual Saga which uses an Aichi Kikai 5M/T instead of the Mitsubishi gearbox used by the Waja, Gen.2, Persona and Neo.

The gearbox model code needed some digging, but because I have an auto Waja at home, the task was as simple as checking the gearbox number stamped on the transmission casing. smile_tongue.gif

As for the knowledge on the INVECS-II, accumulated reading over the years. smile_wink.gif

QUOTE (jasondotcom @ Oct 14 2009, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So i would say the tranny used in persona AT is the lower spec version of Mitsubishi Invecs II tranny right?


I can't say this for sure, but we can safely say that the gearbox would have been specced by Mitsu to meet Proton's requirements.

QUOTE (jasondotcom @ Oct 14 2009, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And what you mean by "quite an aggressive shifting programme"? I want to hear your opinion.


It downshifts very quickly and readily, both when kickdown, and also when detecting downward slopes. I like this characteristic, but many forummers disagree.
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Posted 14 October 2009 - 01:25 PM

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QUOTE (TheGunner @ Oct 14 2009, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's quite common info that all the Campro-powered Protons use the same manual and auto gearboxes. One exception is the manual Saga which uses an Aichi Kikai 5M/T instead of the Mitsubishi gearbox used by the Waja, Gen.2, Persona and Neo.

The gearbox model code needed some digging, but because I have an auto Waja at home, the task was as simple as checking the gearbox number stamped on the transmission casing. smile_tongue.gif

As for the knowledge on the INVECS-II, accumulated reading over the years. smile_wink.gif



I can't say this for sure, but we can safely say that the gearbox would have been specced by Mitsu to meet Proton's requirements.



It downshifts very quickly and readily, both when kickdown, and also when detecting downward slopes. I like this characteristic, but many forummers disagree.



wow. nice reply. thanks man. eye opener... cuz i am still discovering / getting to know more about this car. tongue.gif


 


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Posted 18 October 2009 - 10:42 AM

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use only SPIII atf fluid..."proton SPIII,Mitshubishi DiaQueen SPIII, Kia SPIII smile_thumbup.gif and this invecII can be also found in certain hyundai and kia models like elantra,ria, and others....

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 11:04 AM

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QUOTE (TheGunner @ Oct 14 2009, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It downshifts very quickly and readily, both when kickdown, and also when detecting downward slopes. I like this characteristic, but many forummers disagree.


i also like this one... too bad my 4g91 auto tranny dun have this.. smile_cry.gif


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Posted 20 October 2009 - 09:34 AM

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So far my Persona auto gearbox works fine.

My wife drives it to work, she's slow driver and never high revving...so the gearshift pattern is quick to up shift /shift at lower rpm most of the time

When I drive to KL , the gearbox learn to shift more aggressive

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 11:12 PM

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BLM oso invecs II right?
Too bad its only mated to a 1.3.
I like the smooth shift of this gearbox and the willingness to stay at high rev for a long period of time b4 shifting up.
When u learn how to manupilate the throttle,u can really hav fun driving it.

However its not as adaptive as the fuzzy logic gb on the Waja 1.8.


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Posted 21 October 2009 - 01:27 AM

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err.. hows fuzzy logic gb feels eh ? same like PV6 ? i cannot feel the gear change ? not so aggresive gear drop ? smile_question.gif