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intheshed

Posted 26 October 2014 - 10:05 PM

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Gidday everyone!

We are chasing a little advice regarding our 2010 proton S16 GXA.
[I understand the S16 is a re-badged SAGA]

It has the 1.6 litre Campro SP4H IAFM type engine,

The automatic transmission is the F4A4A 4 speed version.




We will soon be due for the 90000km service, timing belt change and valve adjustment.

I was planning on doing these myself - however, I am unable to find a workshop manual for the car.


Can anyone point us in the direction of a workshop manual, an on-line supplier of parts and if needed - any special tools?

Any advice or hints are appreciated.


Stephen.
Perth,
Western Australia.


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Posted 27 October 2014 - 01:55 PM

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QUOTE (intheshed @ Oct 26 2014, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Gidday everyone!

We are chasing a little advice regarding our 2010 proton S16 GXA.
[I understand the S16 is a re-badged SAGA]

It has the 1.6 litre Campro SP4H IAFM type engine,

The automatic transmission is the F4A4A 4 speed version.




We will soon be due for the 90000km service, timing belt change and valve adjustment.

I was planning on doing these myself - however, I am unable to find a workshop manual for the car.


Can anyone point us in the direction of a workshop manual, an on-line supplier of parts and if needed - any special tools?

Any advice or hints are appreciated.


Stephen.
Perth,
Western Australia.

hi there,
the campro engine uses hydraulic valve adjuster hence no adjustment is needed.yes,the tapping sound can be loud which led u to think it needs adjustment.using thicker grade oil help reduces the noise.

on the part,why dont u buy it at proton service center as its easier.
there are lots of online seller based in malaysia selling the part but i dunno if they will ship it to your country.try mudah.my.
price tends to be steep in that site.
proton also has its own online part center,google it and see if they are able to ship it.

on the manual,i cant help u.most mech here just uses tool which the made themselves to lock the cam pulley in place and a screwdriver to lock the flywheel.
here, it will cost u from MYR 350-MYR 450.complete with change of water pump.


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intheshed

Posted 27 October 2014 - 06:11 PM

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Gidday Gunnerzz

That's good news regarding the valve adjustment [or lack of], makes life a bit easier for me.

As for the 90000km service, I wish I was over your neck of the woods......

The dealerships just quoted me $1230.00 Aussie dollars [3533.86 ringit] for the service
service includes coolant, brake fluid, power steering fluid, timing belt.
no mention of water pump being replaced in the quote.

I was also quoted $740 [2126 ringit] to replace a rear wheel bearing - with a 4 week wait for
the bearings to be shipped from the factory in Malaysia.

These quotes are why I am looking for a workshop manual and an on-line supplier of parts.

Would you happen to know if the rear wheel bearings would be available from an industrial bearing
supplier - or possibly have a part number for them?

I have found an on-line supplier in Australia that has a timing belt kit - containing idler bearings,
oil seals and the belt etc for about $130, so will probably buy via them, but a workshop manual
would make it a bit easier to get the job done without any mistakes.

Thanks again

Stephen.

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Posted 27 October 2014 - 08:37 PM

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QUOTE (intheshed @ Oct 27 2014, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Gidday Gunnerzz

That's good news regarding the valve adjustment [or lack of], makes life a bit easier for me.

As for the 90000km service, I wish I was over your neck of the woods......

The dealerships just quoted me $1230.00 Aussie dollars [3533.86 ringit] for the service
service includes coolant, brake fluid, power steering fluid, timing belt.
no mention of water pump being replaced in the quote.

I was also quoted $740 [2126 ringit] to replace a rear wheel bearing - with a 4 week wait for
the bearings to be shipped from the factory in Malaysia.

These quotes are why I am looking for a workshop manual and an on-line supplier of parts.

Would you happen to know if the rear wheel bearings would be available from an industrial bearing
supplier - or possibly have a part number for them?

I have found an on-line supplier in Australia that has a timing belt kit - containing idler bearings,
oil seals and the belt etc for about $130, so will probably buy via
would make it a bit easier to get the job done without any mistakes.

Thanks again

Stephen.

Holy crap..........thats Beemer or Merc money for a Proton maintenance.In MYR it is.

I bet u will laugh when i said i had my rear wheel bearing replaced for less than MYR150 long time ago.I do believe u can get a compatible part for a lot cheaper.U can just go ahead and removed it if u have the tool.I warn u,u will need lots of muscle power.They tighten the rear drum which hold he bearing too much and i cant removed it using my impact wrench.use a socket and L extension extended with a steel pipe,the L extension's head twisted.could be my low quality tool.Just send it to my mech after that.
if u manage to remove the drum then u can see the bearing siza code.sorry, i dont recall it.

While u r at it,Do check the rear brake slave pump as most local saga has the rear pump jammed causing uneven wear on the drum and the brake shoe not fully retracted when u drop the handbrake.

Do replace the water pump too if u frequently high rev the engine.too bad i cant assist u in getting the part.hav u try proton part online?

on the timing belt removing procedure,i do believe its the same as most twincam engine.
lock the flywheel and if u dont have a campulley lock then have to manualky position it to the relevant marking.
most mech can do it.
campro manual is vey2 hard to source.even service tech here not willing to help.

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Posted 27 October 2014 - 11:20 PM

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Gidday again Gunnerzz

I have just left our S16 with its bum up in the air,
Both rear hubs are off, yep- the hub nuts were pretty tight and took a bit of heaving to get off,
- the nuts are of the self locking [deformed thread] type.

The left wheel bearing was a bit rough, so I plan on replacing the bearings on both wheels.
They will need pressing out - I cant budge them.
I will freeze the new bearings and warm up the hub before assembly to make it easier.

One of our local shops lists the bearings - but probably don't have them in stock,
I have not been able to find brake shoes in any catalogues yet - so most likely its
going to be relining the shoes and skimming of the drums.

I am still searching for an on-line supplier, no luck yet.

Thanks,

stephen.

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Posted 27 October 2014 - 11:46 PM

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Rear shoe and bearing are the same used on proton savvy.

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Posted 28 October 2014 - 11:46 AM

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QUOTE (intheshed @ Oct 27 2014, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Gidday again Gunnerzz

I have just left our S16 with its bum up in the air,
Both rear hubs are off, yep- the hub nuts were pretty tight and took a bit of heaving to get off,
- the nuts are of the self locking [deformed thread] type.

The left wheel bearing was a bit rough, so I plan on replacing the bearings on both wheels.
They will need pressing out - I cant budge them.
I will freeze the new bearings and warm up the hub before assembly to make it easier.

One of our local shops lists the bearings - but probably don't have them in stock,
I have not been able to find brake shoes in any catalogues yet - so most likely its
going to be relining the shoes and skimming of the drums.

I am still searching for an on-line supplier, no luck yet.

Thanks,

stephen.



as for the campro engine workshop manual try this one: http://e-bookmanual....uctsproton.html


so far the other more exact manual i couldnt find it...but if u have ever work on mitsubishi gen1/gen2 dohc engine...all the basic mechanical parts is similar and utilize similar concept/method of work... just the electronic parts totally different mainly due to siemens vdo ecu function and sensors...

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Posted 28 October 2014 - 11:49 AM

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Goodday Stephen,

From the amount of money quoted to u by the dealership, $1230.00 Aussie dollars [3533.86 ringit] PLUS $740 [2126 ringit], that's a whopping MYR 5,660!!

I guess a better option is for to u buy a return ticket to Kuala Lumpur via AirAsia X, have a holiday here n enjoy our food, n bring back those parts u mentioned which u can easily get for less than MYR 400 over here. smile_tongue.gif

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Posted 28 October 2014 - 06:16 PM

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Gidday Fellas,

A trip to KL sound pretty good to me, but it would mean bringing the wife along - which would get pricey
with her wanting to go shopping all the time. smile_blackeye.gif

Both hubs are off, brake shoes are getting relined, drums getting skimmed, and at the same time the
workshop is pressing out the old bearings and pressing in the new ones that our son picked up from a local
bearing shop this morning.

The bearings were $49 per wheel, a fraction of the price quoted by the dealerships.

The Proton sales companies over here have made a point of selling their cars cheap [compared to other brands]
It is only since the Chinese cars have started being sold that their prices have been beaten.

Our 2010 S16 is an automatic, with tinted windows and a few minor "extras", and it cost us $15500 [around 45000Ringgit]

Generally, over here an automatic sells for between $1000 and $2000 more than an equivalent manual model.

At the time, Proton were advertising the S16 as the cheapest car in Australia.
It might have been the truth - but it was a huge mistake to advertise this way, for in Australia, "cheap" is not
regarded as a low cost or economical purchase.
"Cheap" is regarded as low quality - in local slang "cheap and nasty".

The Proton Jumbuck is very popular here - as there is nothing of its type available, even though it keeps getting bad
publicity due to its very low safety ratings compared to modern vehicles.
[Subaru Brumby was popular for the same reason]

We chose the S16 [Saga] as it has much more room in the back compared to the other cars we were looking at - and
with the way my wife drives and treats vehicles there was no way I was going to buy her a Toyota or similar.

We have been pretty happy with the car - it handles pretty well compared to a lot of much more expensive vehicles,
it is pretty economical with fuel, and comfortable for long drives.
It handles gravel roads very well - nice and stable.
The only grumble I have is that you cannot fit a towbar, and the paint is a bit thin.

The first time I drove on a gravel road, the sills under the doors were badly affected - losing lots of paint.
As soon as I got home I sprayed a layer of underbody sealer on the sills and up to the trim part way up the doors.

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Posted 28 October 2014 - 07:34 PM

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Gravel road....
Sound like u take it rallying..hahah

Agree with u abt the paint.Easily gets chipped.
Your model with 1.6 engine is only available as taxi over here.
Only when they introduce the facelift did they make 1.6 model available to the public with cvt gb.
your engine could be on a different state of tune is u said fc is very good.our 1.6 hav so-so fc.

And...i bet u did notice the campro engine just luv high rev right?
The iafm helps it becomes interesting to rev.