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Posted 02 December 2009 - 10:24 AM

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QUOTE (vx55 @ Dec 1 2009, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks for sharing your short test drive. I think there are 2 points which you might be confused of:

1) The gearbox is a standard 4 speed automatic and not a CVT. The CVVT you mentioned is related to the engine, no the gearbox.
2) TCS works during acceleration, not during braking. By the way, what do you mean by brake feel is heavy? Do you mean that you will need more pressure on the brake pedal compared to other cars?

Looking forward to test this car and see if the car matches its hype smile.gif


CVVT is the valve timing actuator on intake camshaft only. That helps reduce FC by controlling the valve open/close timing. That's why the engine could tune so high without sacrificing FC. It's full time valvetiming operating at any speed all the time.

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Posted 02 December 2009 - 10:45 AM

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QUOTE (vx55 @ Dec 1 2009, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks for sharing your short test drive. I think there are 2 points which you might be confused of:

1) The gearbox is a standard 4 speed automatic and not a CVT. The CVVT you mentioned is related to the engine, no the gearbox.
2) TCS works during acceleration, not during braking. By the way, what do you mean by brake feel is heavy? Do you mean that you will need more pressure on the brake pedal compared to other cars?

Looking forward to test this car and see if the car matches its hype smile.gif

Thanks for pointing out vx55, myself layman and confuse with the various abbrev. used such as VSA, ESC, CTC and OTC smile_tongue.gif
1) The 4 speed auto transmission is not CVT yet offers smooth upshift and downshift even at high rpm
2) Forte actually comes with ESC, although similar with TCS but but they do not have the same objective

Electronic stability control (ESC) is a computerized technology that improves the safety of a vehicle's stability by detecting and minimizing skids. When ESC detects loss of steering control, ESC automatically applies the brakes to help "steer" the vehicle where the driver intends to go. Braking is automatically applied to individual wheels, such as the outer front wheel to counter oversteer, or the inner rear wheel to counter understeer. Some ESC systems also reduce engine power until control is regained.[1] Electronic stability control does not improve a vehicle's cornering performance; rather it helps to minimize a loss of control. The NHTSA estimates 5,300-9,600 traffic fatalities could be avoided if all passenger vehicles were equipped with the feature.[2] According to the IIHS one-third of fatal accidents could be prevented by the technology.

A traction control system (TCS), also known as Anti-Slip Regulation (ASR), is typically (but not necessarily) an electro-hydraulic system on production vehicles designed to prevent loss of traction of the driven road wheels, and therefore maintain the control of the vehicle when excessive throttle is applied by the driver and the condition of the road surface (due to varying factors) is unable to cope with the torque applied. Although similar to electronic stability control (ESC) systems, traction control systems do not have the same goal.

The intervention can consist of one or more of the following:
Retard or suppress the spark to one or more cylinders
Reduce fuel supply to one or more cylinders
Brake one or more wheels
Close the throttle, if the vehicle is fitted with drive by wire throttle.
In turbo-charged vehicles, the boost control solenoid can be actuated to reduce boost and therefore engine power

No wonder some crazy speed-freak once posted that he hated the ESC coz it slows down the car when doing tracking...he wanted to push the car faster at bends....guess u cannot do drifting when ESC is on...luckily there is a button to off it....kakaka...

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Posted 04 December 2009 - 10:08 PM

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QUOTE (darreltian @ Dec 2 2009, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No wonder some crazy speed-freak once posted that he hated the ESC coz it slows down the car when doing tracking...he wanted to push the car faster at bends....guess u cannot do drifting when ESC is on...luckily there is a button to off it....kakaka...


It's alright, abbreviations can be tricky smile.gif
I know the more popular term 'ESP' and when it is on full alert, it won't allow any type of slip, so no drifting smile_big.gif

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 10:49 AM

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QUOTE (vx55 @ Dec 4 2009, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's alright, abbreviations can be tricky smile.gif
I know the more popular term 'ESP' and when it is on full alert, it won't allow any type of slip, so no drifting smile_big.gif

copied from jayraptor's reply....


Hi everyone,

As per request. I have gathered the information needed.

CBU unit:
Managed to speak to Kia management. Passed him project report and he gladly provided info and much longer test drive. The Forte units are confirmed CBU as the Gurun Plant in Kedah has yet to start operating. The Forte brought in with exterior badges removed and replaced with Naza logo to lower down its selling price further. Just like Inokom & Hyundai, with Inokom badge, you get lower selling price.

>> For 2.0SX, waiting time is 3 months due to high demand worldwide, require queing. The 1.6EX/SX have limited stock while last.

Test Drive:
Went to test the Forte with 4 full size adults with height of 1.7-1.78m and weight of 68kg-85kg to Kia showroom. Salesman height around 1.72m with weight of I think he got 65kg at least. 4 of us + 1 salesman took the Forte 1.6SX out for almost 1 hour. Paid for the toll and some cash if he (needed refueling) with our money. Tried the car on highway, factory area roads with potholes and quiet more secluded roads for cornering.

Power & Torque wise >> superb for 1.6L C-segment, better than most 1.6L C-segment & 1.5L B-segment available locally so far. Compared to Vios, City, N16, Latio 1.6, Altis 1.6E are no match. Acceleration 0-100km/h with "D" is 12s. No feeling of overweight and overloaded. Played with its shiftronic, fun though having 5-speed AT will be great, acceleration is slightly better than 12s by mere point something secs.

Handling wise >> Stable and steady, great traction. Taking hard corner at 80km/h is great though can feel the torsion beam effect of pulling 1 side. It's handling is better than its rivals that come with torsion beam. If compared it with Civic, Mazda 3 & Lancer, it's behind the 3. Conducted test with moose/slalom fared well. Sonata NF still better. Hope they could have optional multi-link suspension taken from i30 or Avante/Elantra to make the ride even more superior. I don't mind add RM5k to the Forte 1.6EX to replace the torsion beam with multi-link. Its brake is superb.

NVH/Interior wise - the rear seems to have more road noise. Going through hump and potholes, ride is ok but not on par with Altis. The test unit comes with 17" wheels and Hankook tyres. 15" could be better. Engine is quiet and nice to hear when revving. The push start is very cool. Interior space is great. Legroom and interior width are sufficient for 3 full sized adults at rear giving less problem fastening seatbelts. Measured headroom having 50mm from head to roof.


Spare Parts:
Already checked with local spare parts supply chain both under Hyundai/Kia/Chevy and private owned spare parts suppliers. In terms of Korean parts, no problem at all for the necessity parts that keep cars running in terms of spare parts availability and pricing is still affordable.

If a Jap part cost RM10, Korean parts cost RM11-12. Checked with all the supply chain taukeh including not specialised in bringing in Korean pars, all of them said if anyone said Korean parts are expensive and lack of availability, these are rumours spread by local rival Jap car companies to create misperception in order to scare off people from buying Korean cars. No such thing as no spare parts. The Forte, if sales good, they will bring in bulk parts.

Verdict: Great car for the people. Very affordable and can any one tell me how is the market for selling used Sentra 1.6SG (A) Dec' 2007 with aerokit? Asking price at RM65k ok or not? There's still chance to grab CBU unit. Need to move fast.

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Posted 21 December 2009 - 01:34 PM

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the rear seat leave me speechless!aduh sakit pinggang and my butt! smile_cry.gif
a new hope...

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Posted 21 December 2009 - 03:51 PM

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betul ke?



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Posted 21 December 2009 - 04:32 PM

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dont have to belive me.go yourself for a test drive.but then again if u are fat person like me, then u will be rasa.if small/petit guy u wont feel much i guest
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Posted 21 December 2009 - 09:21 PM

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QUOTE (DSAI @ Dec 21 2009, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
dont have to belive me.go yourself for a test drive.but then again if u are fat person like me, then u will be rasa.if small/petit guy u wont feel much i guest



i must be small then cause i feel its just normal unlike the shorten persona back seats to make it look like more leg space....

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 10:41 AM

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QUOTE (rikeys @ Dec 21 2009, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i must be small then cause i feel its just normal unlike the shorten persona back seats to make it look like more leg space....

saw a bright silver SX bearing putrajaya plate yesterday smile_sleepy.gif

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 01:40 PM

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QUOTE (darreltian @ Dec 23 2009, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
saw a bright silver SX bearing putrajaya plate yesterday smile_sleepy.gif



did u cum after sx?

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