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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:57 PM

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QUOTE (jolokia @ Apr 4 2013, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's show how "tiny" ur knowledge on GDI, in particularly Skyactiv, there have 3 variants of compression ratio, in Australia there use 12:1 which can use Ron 91 fuel, in Malaysia & US they use 13:1, in Japan & some Europe country they use 14:1.
In fact what's the point of getting a engine that can run on Ron 91 fuel in Malaysia ? Is not that we ever have Ron 91 here, even back in those day we r using Ron 92, which eventually phase out.
Ur micro knowledge again failed miserably, VW TSI have no problem running on Ron 95 just in case u r not aware of. smile_approve.gif


idiot, it's nothing to do with the RON, how many time u need telling before it sinks into that thick skull? comp26.gif comp26.gif
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:01 PM

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QUOTE (jolokia @ Apr 4 2013, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's show how "tiny" ur knowledge on GDI, in particularly Skyactiv, there have 3 variants of compression ratio, in Australia there use 12:1 which can use Ron 91 fuel, in Malaysia & US they use 13:1, in Japan & some Europe country they use 14:1.
In fact what's the point of getting a engine that can run on Ron 91 fuel in Malaysia ? Is not that we ever have Ron 91 here, even back in those day we r using Ron 92, which eventually phase out.
Ur micro knowledge again failed miserably, VW TSI have no problem running on Ron 95 just in case u r not aware of. smile_approve.gif


idiot, it's nothing to do with the RON, how many time u need telling before it sinks into that thick skull? comp26.gif comp26.gif

Oz Skyactive is 13:1 not 12:1...u must be Googling in the wrong place numbnuts.....go look up stratified burn engine techology to cure your RON illness, LOL! You completely forgot about emissions, which is why these engines are tuned for particular markets, again, nothing to do with RON. 1237.gif
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:22 AM

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QUOTE (kaylcar @ Apr 4 2013, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
idiot, it's nothing to do with the RON, how many time u need telling before it sinks into that thick skull? comp26.gif comp26.gif

Oz Skyactive is 13:1 not 12:1...u must be Googling in the wrong place numbnuts.....go look up stratified burn engine techology to cure your RON illness, LOL! You completely forgot about emissions, which is why these engines are tuned for particular markets, again, nothing to do with RON. 1237.gif

Oz have both 12:1 & 13:1 compression ratio, the M3 fitted with Skyactiv still 12:1, but not surprised if they updates it to be same as M6 13:1 as it's just a matter of tuning.
Hey Jayraptor listen to your ladyboss Mdm AYap ! It's nothing to do with Octane/Ron, it all about emissions, UNDERSTAND !

ps. Since I don't work for her I don't need to listen, listen, listen, to this nagging lady smile_tongue.gif
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:29 AM

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QUOTE (jolokia @ Apr 5 2013, 07:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oz have both 12:1 & 13:1 compression ratio, the M3 fitted with Skyactiv still 12:1, but not surprised if they updates it to be same as M6 13:1 as it's just a matter of tuning.
Hey Jayraptor listen to your ladyboss Mdm AYap ! It's nothing to do with Octane/Ron, it all about emissions, UNDERSTAND !

ps. Since I don't work for her I don't need to listen, listen, listen, to this nagging lady smile_tongue.gif


you can come and sweep the workshop floor.....can manage ah? smile_big.gif
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 09:38 PM

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QUOTE (jolokia @ Apr 4 2013, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's show how "tiny" ur knowledge on GDI, in particularly Skyactiv, there have 3 variants of compression ratio, in Australia there use 12:1 which can use Ron 91 fuel, in Malaysia & US they use 13:1, in Japan & some Europe country they use 14:1.
In fact what's the point of getting a engine that can run on Ron 91 fuel in Malaysia ? Is not that we ever have Ron 91 here, even back in those day we r using Ron 92, which eventually phase out.
Ur micro knowledge again failed miserably, VW TSI have no problem running on Ron 95 just in case u r not aware of. smile_approve.gif


You don't seem to get facts right still. Tell me, can you pump in Euro 1 grade fuel to your Navara? Answer is no as it'll damage the injector.

Same thing with GDI, its minimum requirement is RON95 with downgraded injector. With its default GDI injector, by right it needs RON98 and higher but could still barely feed on RON97. VW TSI don't have problem with RON95 because it's fitted with downgraded injector. Don't twist fact here.

Fyi, the Fairlady 350z and 370z from your brand can't feed on RON95 at all, it needs min RON97. What you say about that?

Latest news, I saw Veloster test unit is already available at Glenmarie. Also saw 3 Velosters on the road for limited early birds. I will get my hands on the test drive unit after big event. Then I'll post review here. Compared to Sylphy that can't sit 5 people, the Veloster 4 seater seems ideal match.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:10 PM

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QUOTE (jayraptor @ Apr 14 2013, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You don't seem to get facts right still. Tell me, can you pump in Euro 1 grade fuel to your Navara? Answer is no as it'll damage the injector.

Same thing with GDI, its minimum requirement is RON95 with downgraded injector. With its default GDI injector, by right it needs RON98 and higher but could still barely feed on RON97. VW TSI don't have problem with RON95 because it's fitted with downgraded injector. Don't twist fact here.

Fyi, the Fairlady 350z and 370z from your brand can't feed on RON95 at all, it needs min RON97. What you say about that?

Latest news, I saw Veloster test unit is already available at Glenmarie. Also saw 3 Velosters on the road for limited early birds. I will get my hands on the test drive unit after big event. Then I'll post review here. Compared to Sylphy that can't sit 5 people, the Veloster 4 seater seems ideal match.

Against ur stupidity is highlighted in this, as i said before why can't ur laoya copytech Hwontai KIAsu GDI engine run on Euro 2 fuel ? U such an idiot US & Australia using ron 91 / aki 87 fuel yet Skyactive & other GDI have no problem running on it.

If i can afford a 370Z do u think i am still so cheapskate like u feed it with ron 95, would u pump ron 95 into Ferrari ?

Compare Sylphy with Veloster 059.gif

I have read many comment on Veloster in Lowyat forum, all of them laughing at their weak engine & price tag. sterb324.gif
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Posted 16 April 2013 - 11:10 AM

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QUOTE (jolokia @ Apr 15 2013, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Against ur stupidity is highlighted in this, as i said before why can't ur laoya copytech Hwontai KIAsu GDI engine run on Euro 2 fuel ? U such an idiot US & Australia using ron 91 / aki 87 fuel yet Skyactive & other GDI have no problem running on it.

If i can afford a 370Z do u think i am still so cheapskate like u feed it with ron 95, would u pump ron 95 into Ferrari ?

Compare Sylphy with Veloster 059.gif

I have read many comment on Veloster in Lowyat forum, all of them laughing at their weak engine & price tag. sterb324.gif


what makes you think the GDi engines we got here are happy running on Euro 2M fuel? (you forgot to add the "M") comp26.gif
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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:43 PM

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QUOTE (jolokia @ Apr 15 2013, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Against ur stupidity is highlighted in this, as i said before why can't ur laoya copytech Hwontai KIAsu GDI engine run on Euro 2 fuel ? U such an idiot US & Australia using ron 91 / aki 87 fuel yet Skyactive & other GDI have no problem running on it.

If i can afford a 370Z do u think i am still so cheapskate like u feed it with ron 95, would u pump ron 95 into Ferrari ?


You can try to get Aussies to pump in their Mazda 3, CX5 and Mazda 6 GDi engine with RON91 and RON95 fuel here. Can you guarantee that it'll survive long in the first place? How much do you know about fuel in Australia? If you don't know, elsewhere their lower grade fuel are compensated with additional biofuel treatment that does not have high content of sulfur yet with increased density to match pure higher octane fuel.

Fact is, you can't pump in RON91 grade normal high sulfur content fuel into GDi engine even with downgraded injectors. The density is not high enough for the high pressure GDI injector. Too much loophole and airpocket would cause injector to pump at excessive force causing damage. That is the fact and you can try to prove that you are right by pumping RON95 into your FATLADY 350Z or 370Z. 1 of your boss has convertible 350z, get that to start with.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:53 PM

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QUOTE (jolokia @ Apr 15 2013, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Compare Sylphy with Veloster 059.gif

I have read many comment on Veloster in Lowyat forum, all of them laughing at their weak engine & price tag. sterb324.gif


Veloster and CRZ are both hot hatch sports cars wannabe. Not really sports cars in the first place but for those who can't afford real sports cars. Veloster 1.6 engine is not for racing but to drive you from point A to point B practically yet safely with still descent handling. Veloster is 4 seater while Sylphy is also 4 seater. Here's early comparison:

Veloster standard 1.6A at RM122k while high spec at RM130k
- Veloster saves road tax only RM60 for 1.6L
- good FC at 13km/L normal city driving
- Practical for city car, easier to park and maneuver
- could sit 4 comfortably if the rear passenger not taller than 5'10". Wide inside with good thigh support
- Boot space big enough for a hot hatch, got split fold for more luggage, even foldable bed tilam can be ferried or your bicycle just in case.
- Handling even better than already good Elantra. Stable at speed and could still veer off unexpected obstacle to other lane without losing control at speed limit .
- Lightweight at 1200kg yet aerodynamic with less drag at lower stance, good for cruising
- Strong 6AT gearbox with first gear even bigger than some pickup truck's gearbox.
- Maintenance wise, spare part plenty and cheap can share with Elantra and Forte. Gearbox ATF service interval at 300,000km though SC advised at 100,000km.
- Reliability wise proven close to Toyota, beating N-brand. Proven in blue taxi Sonata NF and also on hot desert in Nevada and Arabs. Libyan freedom fighters and even Syrian freedom movement groups can be seen driving Korean cars due to reliable.

Sylphy 2.0 at RM120k while Impul Sylphy 2.0 at RM130k. Fair match right?
- 2.0L road tax RM394.
- FC 8.9km/L city driving, lightfoot by me get best at 9.4km/L in light city driving.
- So narrow yet so long, even narrower than old Sentra N16 inside. Legroom plenty behind but the right angle 90degree sitting on bench seat with poor thigh support. Only self claimed beige interior very high class. Put 17" wheel would give very stiff ride.
- No splitfold, anything slightly bigger and longer will have to fork out cash for lorry shipping service.
- Handling failed, would get into understeer badly at lower speed even at permitted speed limit as evident from CRA2Y treasure hunt itself on straight highway and several cases happened to owners.
- Despite lighter than Altis, Forte, Civic, etc at 1240kg, it is floaty at speed due to narrow width and suspension straight stance. Nooo... very floaty.... With Impul, nooo, very hard bump, get backache... Handling still no better than Altis.
- Weak CVT gearbox with small first 2 gears, reverse will be problem if back facing upslope. Start moving forward from idle is sluggish....
- Maintenance wise, CVT ATF service interval very short, 20,000km at RM600 including fluid and labour charge. Fragile some more, driven by steel belt and rely on moveable face to shift size to represent 1st, 2nd, 3rd gear...Steering rack bush would wear out in few months giving kluk2 sound. Rear suspension hit the deck if crossing hump at considered slow speed. Must be at tortoise speed only then no hit.
- Reliability wise, shud be so so... Previous N16, X-Trail and even Cefiro are prone to overheat that will damage engine require change engine or overhaul. Sylphy not available in Arabs nor US desert, in Australia, it can't sell at all and phased out in just few months.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 06:39 PM

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QUOTE (jayraptor @ Apr 16 2013, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Veloster and CRZ are both hot hatch sports cars wannabe. Not really sports cars in the first place but for those who can't afford real sports cars. Veloster 1.6 engine is not for racing but to drive you from point A to point B practically yet safely with still descent handling. Veloster is 4 seater while Sylphy is also 4 seater. Here's early comparison:

Veloster standard 1.6A at RM122k while high spec at RM130k
- Veloster saves road tax only RM60 for 1.6L
- good FC at 13km/L normal city driving
- Practical for city car, easier to park and maneuver
- could sit 4 comfortably if the rear passenger not taller than 5'10". Wide inside with good thigh support
- Boot space big enough for a hot hatch, got split fold for more luggage, even foldable bed tilam can be ferried or your bicycle just in case.
- Handling even better than already good Elantra. Stable at speed and could still veer off unexpected obstacle to other lane without losing control at speed limit .
- Lightweight at 1200kg yet aerodynamic with less drag at lower stance, good for cruising
- Strong 6AT gearbox with first gear even bigger than some pickup truck's gearbox.
- Maintenance wise, spare part plenty and cheap can share with Elantra and Forte. Gearbox ATF service interval at 300,000km though SC advised at 100,000km.
- Reliability wise proven close to Toyota, beating N-brand. Proven in blue taxi Sonata NF and also on hot desert in Nevada and Arabs. Libyan freedom fighters and even Syrian freedom movement groups can be seen driving Korean cars due to reliable.

Sylphy 2.0 at RM120k while Impul Sylphy 2.0 at RM130k. Fair match right?
- 2.0L road tax RM394.
- FC 8.9km/L city driving, lightfoot by me get best at 9.4km/L in light city driving.
- So narrow yet so long, even narrower than old Sentra N16 inside. Legroom plenty behind but the right angle 90degree sitting on bench seat with poor thigh support. Only self claimed beige interior very high class. Put 17" wheel would give very stiff ride.
- No splitfold, anything slightly bigger and longer will have to fork out cash for lorry shipping service.
- Handling failed, would get into understeer badly at lower speed even at permitted speed limit as evident from CRA2Y treasure hunt itself on straight highway and several cases happened to owners.
- Despite lighter than Altis, Forte, Civic, etc at 1240kg, it is floaty at speed due to narrow width and suspension straight stance. Nooo... very floaty.... With Impul, nooo, very hard bump, get backache... Handling still no better than Altis.
- Weak CVT gearbox with small first 2 gears, reverse will be problem if back facing upslope. Start moving forward from idle is sluggish....
- Maintenance wise, CVT ATF service interval very short, 20,000km at RM600 including fluid and labour charge. Fragile some more, driven by steel belt and rely on moveable face to shift size to represent 1st, 2nd, 3rd gear...Steering rack bush would wear out in few months giving kluk2 sound. Rear suspension hit the deck if crossing hump at considered slow speed. Must be at tortoise speed only then no hit.
- Reliability wise, shud be so so... Previous N16, X-Trail and even Cefiro are prone to overheat that will damage engine require change engine or overhaul. Sylphy not available in Arabs nor US desert, in Australia, it can't sell at all and phased out in just few months.

You wasted so many time writing garbage ? why r u comparing a 4 door sedan with a 3 door hatch, to much free time ? smile_tongue.gif

U missed out the most important point, Sylphy sales more than Veloster, opps i mean been seen on the road much much much more that Veloster, in fact even Ferrari, Lambo & Posh r easier to get spoted compare to Velobster coz there r virtually non on the road. 1237.gif
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