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#131
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:49 AM

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QUOTE (jayraptor @ Nov 28 2012, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The photos of rusty injectors, 1st of all are those photos belong to local owner? Did the owner often go wading in deep water with his Ranger? Even cars back in 60's and 70's where anti-rust technology was still primitive don't get rust that fast.

It could be either some competitor bought the Ranger and on purpose soak the injector part with water to culture the rust. You want to make a metal rust faster, you just have to remove the grease laminating the area with special detergent and make sure it is wet at all times.

It is possible as the wealthier competitor could easily invest RM100k to get a brand new Ranger to tamper with something bad to cause more unusual wear and tear. No doubt, that should be it. The new Ranger project development is partially handled by kiasu Aussies that would make sure things go right and pushed to max. Having such problem is totally suspicious for a pickup with that much effort placed.

Regarding the service cost, whether it is that expensive is a question mark. I used to own Ford back then and sent to SC for service even for once that has no warranty, they don't charge that expensive after all. The older Focus '03 that was CBU with parts imported from EUrope, only the imported parts were expensive due to tax but labour charge, oil change, fileter that was marked up still not that way expensive. I don't heard Thais having such complain at all, how bout locals, I don't find them complaining on forums in AW and others much.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:36 PM

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QUOTE (jayraptor @ Nov 28 2012, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The photos of rusty injectors, 1st of all are those photos belong to local owner? Did the owner often go wading in deep water with his Ranger? Even cars back in 60's and 70's where anti-rust technology was still primitive don't get rust that fast.

It could be either some competitor bought the Ranger and on purpose soak the injector part with water to culture the rust. You want to make a metal rust faster, you just have to remove the grease laminating the area with special detergent and make sure it is wet at all times.

It is possible as the wealthier competitor could easily invest RM100k to get a brand new Ranger to tamper with something bad to cause more unusual wear and tear. No doubt, that should be it. The new Ranger project development is partially handled by kiasu Aussies that would make sure things go right and pushed to max. Having such problem is totally suspicious for a pickup with that much effort placed.

Regarding the service cost, whether it is that expensive is a question mark. I used to own Ford back then and sent to SC for service even for once that has no warranty, they don't charge that expensive after all. The older Focus '03 that was CBU with parts imported from EUrope, only the imported parts were expensive due to tax but labour charge, oil change, fileter that was marked up still not that way expensive. I don't heard Thais having such complain at all, how bout locals, I don't find them complaining on forums in AW and others much.

Seriously no point. If you want to argue that some competitor bought Ranger and sabotage its brand, well whatever floats your boat. No point arguing despite showing you the signs and symptoms from real life experience of Ranger ownership. You can deduce your own conclusions.

I rest my case. I am not in a way influencing or advising against ownership of Ranger, just that I think potential owners should know what to expect and what are the problems. No car is perfect.

There must be a reason why out of 54,477 picks up sold in Thailand for October, only 957 are Ford Rangers. This is down from September sales of 1,185 units, 2,724 units in August and 2,378 units in July 2012. There is a sharp drop in sales when rusty injectors are made public.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 01:54 PM

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Rusty fuel injectors - is this happening to ALL Rangers? Or to only some of them.

If only to some, likely cause could be a batch of "off-specs" injectors.

IMO, Ford by design/specs at factory would had insisted these injectors to have some form of permanent coating or plating to protect the injectors against corrosion.

In the pictures, other parts were not rusty, meaning they be coated against corrosion. Why the same treatment is not accorded to the injectors?


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Posted 02 December 2012 - 12:33 AM

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QUOTE (goBetong @ Dec 1 2012, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Rusty fuel injectors - is this happening to ALL Rangers? Or to only some of them.

If only to some, likely cause could be a batch of "off-specs" injectors.

IMO, Ford by design/specs at factory would had insisted these injectors to have some form of permanent coating or plating to protect the injectors against corrosion.

In the pictures, other parts were not rusty, meaning they be coated against corrosion. Why the same treatment is not accorded to the injectors?

Hi, at most Rangers, the affected rust part would be the 3rd and 4th injector, and this is where you need to pay specific attention to. It is believed to be a design fault on the engine cover. The water will flow into the engine cover from the windshield compartment and leak into the containment where 3rd and 4th injector are in place. Water can comes from various places; eg: heavy downpour.

If you have bought Ranger and noticed your 3rd or 4th injector is not affected, u may need to take extra effort to seal off the leakage on the windscreen where water flow to. You can test by putting a running hose and seal the leakage with silicon.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:39 PM

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QUOTE (jolokia @ Nov 29 2012, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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jolokia,
Your link stated clearly what caused the corrosion on the 3rd and 4th injector is not really technical issue. Now watch the solution to the problem in my reply to netsoft.

Once Ford replace the existing drainage design, problem solved and no worry on rainwater. Existing owners could actually patch the drain and divert rainwater away easily. By then Ford will not be bogged down by this rainwater issue and concentrate on threatening your sales.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:45 PM

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QUOTE (netsoft @ Dec 2 2012, 12:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi, at most Rangers, the affected rust part would be the 3rd and 4th injector, and this is where you need to pay specific attention to. It is believed to be a design fault on the engine cover. The water will flow into the engine cover from the windshield compartment and leak into the containment where 3rd and 4th injector are in place. Water can comes from various places; eg: heavy downpour.

If you have bought Ranger and noticed your 3rd or 4th injector is not affected, u may need to take extra effort to seal off the leakage on the windscreen where water flow to. You can test by putting a running hose and seal the leakage with silicon.


Hi netsoft,

Thanks for the link and the details. The problem is caused by drainage problem around the end of bonnet near the front windscreen. It reminds me of 1 old make/model (not Ford) that designed drainage flow wrongly around the bonnet and fender intersection causing rainwater to flow to the ECU.

The issue is not technical but drain system defect. Solution is to patch a metal to direct the rainwater elsewhere. Ford could really rectify this problem and re-design the bonnet drainage flow by extending the metal cover underneath and divert elsewhere. For existing owner, they just have to replace the original drain design with a new drain metal that is longer at low cost.

If I bought the Ranger with the bad drain, I will surely patch the drain to extend its flow further away. Easy job. Wonder why Ford take so long to solve?

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 09:01 PM

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been driving camry for several yrs.

i thought of change from car to truck. Ford Ranger is in my list.
can see that truck have evolved in a better way.

it has higher ground so no need to worry about flood.
got 5 seater, suitable for family.
also a large cargo bed, useful and practical.
the interior also upgraded.
i think body is more robust compared to normal car which is safer.
may not be stable at high speed.(usually i drove below 120km/h)

can any sifus share some thoughts, as i really want one.

is the maintenance really high compared to sedan..eg camry?
how much cost for 16" inch tyres?
fuel consumption better?
how about engine problem? caused by euro2 grade?

actually, another reason to buy a truck is so i can use it to carry durians at my parents plantation.

but also depends on durian season.
most of the time i will driving around klang valley.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 11:31 PM

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QUOTE (calvintsp @ Dec 6 2012, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
been driving camry for several yrs.

i thought of change from car to truck. Ford Ranger is in my list.
can see that truck have evolved in a better way.

it has higher ground so no need to worry about flood.
got 5 seater, suitable for family.
also a large cargo bed, useful and practical.
the interior also upgraded.
i think body is more robust compared to normal car which is safer.
may not be stable at high speed.(usually i drove below 120km/h) - - 150KM/H STILL STABLE

can any sifus share some thoughts, as i really want one.

is the maintenance really high compared to sedan..eg camry? FIRST SERVICE RM500++
how much cost for 16" inch tyres? NOT SURE, HAVEN'T CHANGED
fuel consumption better? RM 0.20 CITY DRIVING, RM0.16/KM HIGHWAY DRIVING
how about engine problem? caused by euro2 grade? NO PROBLEM SO FAR

actually, another reason to buy a truck is so i can use it to carry durians at my parents plantation.

but also depends on durian season.
most of the time i will driving around klang valley.



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Posted 06 December 2012 - 11:33 PM

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QUOTE (jayraptor @ Dec 5 2012, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi netsoft,

Thanks for the link and the details. The problem is caused by drainage problem around the end of bonnet near the front windscreen. It reminds me of 1 old make/model (not Ford) that designed drainage flow wrongly around the bonnet and fender intersection causing rainwater to flow to the ECU.

The issue is not technical but drain system defect. Solution is to patch a metal to direct the rainwater elsewhere. Ford could really rectify this problem and re-design the bonnet drainage flow by extending the metal cover underneath and divert elsewhere. For existing owner, they just have to replace the original drain design with a new drain metal that is longer at low cost.

If I bought the Ranger with the bad drain, I will surely patch the drain to extend its flow further away. Easy job. Wonder why Ford take so long to solve?



not a big problem actually. my car still fine. water not leaking into the cover easily


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 01:18 PM

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QUOTE (marcus0934 @ Dec 6 2012, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
not a big problem actually. my car still fine. water not leaking into the cover easily


I share your view.

The engine cover covers the top of the engine (including the injectors) completely. I can't figure out how water can ingress into the top of the engine to soak/rust the injectors unless water defies gravity.


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