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Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:25 PM

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QUOTE (yeong @ Nov 19 2012, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Too bad due to whatever act sales figures can't be disclosed anymore.


Well... maybe Proton is selling very badly... thus the ban on the sales figure to be disclosed. A stupid excuse I read was that; declaring the sales figure will increase the spare part price... What a joker smile_clown.gif

"It was stated by an MyCC official that as a result of such sharing of data, parts prices will go up. I find it hard to understand how parts dealers would use the data and decide that their prices should be raised! The MAA is an association and not a cartel........ "

http://bestsellingca...-market-report/

http://www.motortrad...-market-report/


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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:14 PM

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QUOTE (rx330 @ Nov 18 2012, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
jayraptor, u seem to know a lot about the Vios 2013. Can you tell us more about it? It is still using the same engine as the current Vios? the fuel economy? the space? the design? etc etc

jolokia, if you are comparing the Almera with the current Vios, well I would said it is not fair comparison. Also, we all know that the local motor journalist are not daring in their report....


Hi rx330,

The hatchback variant new Vios already sold in US as Yaris powered by same existing 1.5L + 4AT having the same FC as current Vios. They have announced sedan variant launch in Q1 2013 to compete with Rio, Accent and Almera sedan.

The current Vios engine is so far good for city driving and only lose out on highway as it is using 1st generation VVT without high end support. Vios is city car at the moment, unless Toyota is willing to give us the upgraded to dual VVT 1.5 + 5AT or CVT, then it will be king for city and highway.

Already compared Latio 1.5 (same engine as Almera) vs Vios 1.5, the Vios wins in city driving FC by 1km/L and draw in highway FC. Almera's long tail with more drag + weight distributed further behind + having higher ground clearance at 160mm will be less stable than Latio. Almera is even more floaty than the already floaty Latio, even infected car journalists admitted driving at higher speed is not stable.

Anyway, if your friend willing to wait for the new Vios 2013 is still a better choice compared to Almera. It is more aerodynamic, less drag on the tail and eventually gets slightly better FC than current Vios Dugong. At least is still look like car rather than a train. smile_big.gif


Hi byebye2u,

"2013 vios have turbo or not? or same engine like first come out?"

Vios is B-segment affordable point A to B level class from Toyota. Won't have turbo here and no point fitting turbo since it is not designed to have superb handling. Even the turbocharged with advanced valve lift overtuned Altis designed to compete with Lancer EVO and Civic type R was scrapped. The new Vios sedan 2013 as per US and AU announcement, will more likely fitted with existing 1.5L + 4AT. Toyota already have upgraded dual VVT 1.5 engine but will only give us if its sales is losing badly to competitors like Altis '08 old engine + 4AT upgraded to F/L Altis '10 dual VVT engine + CVT.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:42 PM

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QUOTE (jolokia @ Nov 17 2012, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
U r talking craps here again, in fact Vios is merely 5 mm wider than Almera & Vios wheebase is merely 40mm shorter, one should compare wind resistance base on Drag coefficient factor not the lengh or heigh of a car, Vios has 0.30 compare to Almera 0.31 which is marginal.
How about Almera having bigger first gear ratio u like to talk about ? Everybody know that Dugong was a nickname given to Vios so don't try to pass it to Almera, in fact Almera main selling point is the internal space & fuel efficiency which been proven by AW, PTB & MT base on test of 13units of car.
Admit it u r a bad loser who can't bash Almera base on Safety since it has already proven in US most stringent crash test & proven fuel efficiency by EPA & actual road test been carry out by the top 3 auto website in Malaysia, plus Almera is a international available model, sore loser is what u r now, loses in a fair competition but whines about it on constant basis, blaming everyone around u exept ur self, now taunting every where in this forum. sterb292.gif


You don't know, they only took the roof line aerodynamic and forgo the entire frontal from tyre all the way up to roof? Vios is 5mm wider than Almera and is more than 40mm shorter as well, not to forget, Vios ground clearance is standard 150mm.

Almera sits higher over 1500mm and has very high ground clearance for a car at 160mm allowing more air to flow beneath it making it less stable? That explains why your infected journalists claimed and admitted it is not stable at higher speed over 120km/h. What else, so narrow yet so much space below and sit so high sure floaty and shaky lor. ohmy.gif

Despite both having similar gear ratio, because Vios is lower, less ground clearance and shorter means less weight distribution to the far rear therefore, its 141Nm is considered adequate to pull it around. Almera's long rear and less aerodynamic in overall frontal surface (including the mid section and bottom part) eventually make it weak to have 2.8 1st gear to assist the weaker 1.5L 139Nm pulling power.

Fyi, aerodynamic is not measured in crash test safety rating. You are forgetting that the safety rating only measured passenger survival rate, not the engine and aerodynamic.

Vios is dugong but because Almera copied Vios and even worse design therefore it should be named uglier Dugong. Dugong is Vios but uglier Dugong is Almera. New Vios should be here next year slightly later than worldwide scheduled launch based on new Camry launch.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 12:40 PM

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QUOTE (jayraptor @ Nov 22 2012, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You don't know, they only took the roof line aerodynamic and forgo the entire frontal from tyre all the way up to roof? Vios is 5mm wider than Almera and is more than 40mm shorter as well, not to forget, Vios ground clearance is standard 150mm.

Almera sits higher over 1500mm and has very high ground clearance for a car at 160mm allowing more air to flow beneath it making it less stable? That explains why your infected journalists claimed and admitted it is not stable at higher speed over 120km/h. What else, so narrow yet so much space below and sit so high sure floaty and shaky lor. ohmy.gif

Despite both having similar gear ratio, because Vios is lower, less ground clearance and shorter means less weight distribution to the far rear therefore, its 141Nm is considered adequate to pull it around. Almera's long rear and less aerodynamic in overall frontal surface (including the mid section and bottom part) eventually make it weak to have 2.8 1st gear to assist the weaker 1.5L 139Nm pulling power.

Fyi, aerodynamic is not measured in crash test safety rating. You are forgetting that the safety rating only measured passenger survival rate, not the engine and aerodynamic.

Vios is dugong but because Almera copied Vios and even worse design therefore it should be named uglier Dugong. Dugong is Vios but uglier Dugong is Almera. New Vios should be here next year slightly later than worldwide scheduled launch based on new Camry launch.

U don't even know how compare a total length of a car, 1st the longer Almera is not concentrate of the boot area alone, it is the overall length, Almera is having longer wheel base than Vios as well, mean the drag only exist in ur Brain.

In fact if u want to talk about shorter boot area, do ur know why hatchback car need to have real spoiler ? It is becoz air that travelled from the roof will actually push all the way down on the back of a car thus lift the real end, spoiler will divert the air to a further distance & create a gentler slope, U can check out same case happen to the first batch Audi TT, where the designer had to add spoiler to divert the air from floating directly to real end of the car & cause the real end to lift up & become unstable at high speed, bet u donno this famous news hah.

I am glad Nissan is giving a higher ground clearance than it's rival, u r not driving ur car only on well tufted highway, even in KL some part of the road r very bad condition full of speed bump, some r even unmarked, in fact if u drove in some housing area there even resident own making speed bump, the condition are worst in smaller town & semi rural area.

The so called ground effect will only exist when ur car hit the ton 100mph/160kmh how often u hit that speed with these B segment 1.5 car that is if it capable to reach that speed with 3-4 passengers on board.

Every body know that taller roof line & better legroom give better comfort to driver as well as passenger, but u r twisting the fact for ur personal vendetta against Nissan.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 10:40 AM

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nice discussion we having here...good info from you guys...

I have a question to ask...why my car RPM suddenly drop from 650rpm to below 500rpm and then the engine turn off(if stuck in traffic jam). Is it bcoz the TB sensor or fuel pump??? smile_blackeye.gif

FYI i'm using vios 2009 with current millage 112K KM...

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 09:13 PM

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QUOTE (jolokia @ Nov 24 2012, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
U don't even know how compare a total length of a car, 1st the longer Almera is not concentrate of the boot area alone, it is the overall length, Almera is having longer wheel base than Vios as well, mean the drag only exist in ur Brain.

In fact if u want to talk about shorter boot area, do ur know why hatchback car need to have real spoiler ? It is becoz air that travelled from the roof will actually push all the way down on the back of a car thus lift the real end, spoiler will divert the air to a further distance & create a gentler slope, U can check out same case happen to the first batch Audi TT, where the designer had to add spoiler to divert the air from floating directly to real end of the car & cause the real end to lift up & become unstable at high speed, bet u donno this famous news hah.

I am glad Nissan is giving a higher ground clearance than it's rival, u r not driving ur car only on well tufted highway, even in KL some part of the road r very bad condition full of speed bump, some r even unmarked, in fact if u drove in some housing area there even resident own making speed bump, the condition are worst in smaller town & semi rural area.

The so called ground effect will only exist when ur car hit the ton 100mph/160kmh how often u hit that speed with these B segment 1.5 car that is if it capable to reach that speed with 3-4 passengers on board.

Every body know that taller roof line & better legroom give better comfort to driver as well as passenger, but u r twisting the fact for ur personal vendetta against Nissan.

Admit it u r nothing but a sored loser. smile_approve.gif


Fyi, the Almera is front wheel drive. FWD is to pull the chassis and unlike RWD, its chassis have maximum length that it is not supposed to exceed based on engine size without having to feel the drag. Even though your wheelbase is long with the rear wheels further back, it is powered by weak 1.5 at 139Nm torque and having overall length and rear wheels so far away would have more drag for the weak 1.5 engine to pull.

Fyi, rear wheel drive transmit power to the rear wheel to push the car from behind like RWD Cefiro A31 that is also sits lower and the suspension setup have stance like /--\ is more stable. Your Almera's narrow stance yet sits so high is like I-I, it won't be stable like common cars. Having wheelbase 2600mm with overall length of 4455mm while height at >1500mm + ground clearance 160mm will be unstable at >100km/h, not advisable to take sharp turn in emergency defensive driving evading obstacle and going up slope and moving from idle will give more drag to the engine.

width vs length ratio:-
Vios : 2.53
Rio : 2.54
City : 2.61 (because of having 145Nm torque, more aerodynamic lower height and suspension stance, its drag feel is reduced but still underpowered compared to Vios)
Almera : 2.63 (weak sluggish feel on startup from idle and going uphill, could feel drag behind, weak when loaded with adults passengers behind)

Your Almera having long legroom at the rear at the expense of getting more drag, sluggish ride and unstable ride with terrible handling (aka passive safety required to evade unexpected object on middle of the road). Is this ok?

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 09:22 PM

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QUOTE (sniper0900 @ Nov 26 2012, 10:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
nice discussion we having here...good info from you guys...

I have a question to ask...why my car RPM suddenly drop from 650rpm to below 500rpm and then the engine turn off(if stuck in traffic jam). Is it bcoz the TB sensor or fuel pump??? smile_blackeye.gif

FYI i'm using vios 2009 with current millage 112K KM...


I am not really a car engineer but could only give suggestion based on the symptom. I would say send it to Toyota SC or the workshops managed by ex-Toyota foreman or qualified engineers.

1) 650rpm at idle speed is sort of low, have you tuned the ECM to sip less fuel before? Seems like you meddled with the fuel intake setting, like you set to 1.5 to 2.0 scale that just barely passed the engine stall level.
2) Toyota mass airflow sensor should last for 10 years minimum. If it has problem now, should be defective but you have exceeded the warranty at 112k mileage.
3) Fuel pump with basic simple electrical switch is less likely car still new 2009 today is only 3 years old. If electrical unit faulty, it will not pump fuel at all.

Touchwood, unless your Vios has gone through some nasty incident or being meddled with its electrical wiring and electronic, less likely the sensor and fuel pump would be faulty unless defective.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:28 PM

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QUOTE (jayraptor @ Nov 28 2012, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fyi, the Almera is front wheel drive. FWD is to pull the chassis and unlike RWD, its chassis have maximum length that it is not supposed to exceed based on engine size without having to feel the drag. Even though your wheelbase is long with the rear wheels further back, it is powered by weak 1.5 at 139Nm torque and having overall length and rear wheels so far away would have more drag for the weak 1.5 engine to pull.

Fyi, rear wheel drive transmit power to the rear wheel to push the car from behind like RWD Cefiro A31 that is also sits lower and the suspension setup have stance like /--\ is more stable. Your Almera's narrow stance yet sits so high is like I-I, it won't be stable like common cars. Having wheelbase 2600mm with overall length of 4455mm while height at >1500mm + ground clearance 160mm will be unstable at >100km/h, not advisable to take sharp turn in emergency defensive driving evading obstacle and going up slope and moving from idle will give more drag to the engine.

width vs length ratio:-
Vios : 2.53
Rio : 2.54
City : 2.61 (because of having 145Nm torque, more aerodynamic lower height and suspension stance, its drag feel is reduced but still underpowered compared to Vios)
Almera : 2.63 (weak sluggish feel on startup from idle and going uphill, could feel drag behind, weak when loaded with adults passengers behind)

Your Almera having long legroom at the rear at the expense of getting more drag, sluggish ride and unstable ride with terrible handling (aka passive safety required to evade unexpected object on middle of the road). Is this ok?

Have u forgot Almera longer wheelbase r compensate with a bigger 1st gear ratio (claim by ur goodself bigger 1st gear ratio give better pulling power). smile_approve.gif

Fools, rear wheel drive car will have oversteer problem, may ur brain have (0%) contain instead, that why i said u don't even know what is a diffuser most modern car have them to divert air from lifting the car during high speed, in case u ignorant mind still stucked, read this link.

http://en.wikipedia....er_(automotive)

What a stupid way to compare car base on ratio, do u think this is LCD TV ? or computer monitor ? every car set up are different, when Almera r to be design in such way, the chassis would have been design for it, remember this is not a OEM car, manufacturer do not use the same frame & add on length & width later, understand fools.

Stupid a wider body does not help in evade object, if such a dumb theory r use, why not i assume Almera will able to evade object since it had more narrow body (who do u think will get shot easily ? a chubby soldier or slimmer one?).

U have not even test the car, already u give so much baseless comment. smile_angry.gif
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 11:54 AM

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QUOTE (jolokia @ Nov 29 2012, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Have u forgot Almera longer wheelbase r compensate with a bigger 1st gear ratio (claim by ur goodself bigger 1st gear ratio give better pulling power). smile_approve.gif

Fools, rear wheel drive car will have oversteer problem, may ur brain have (0%) contain instead, that why i said u don't even know what is a diffuser most modern car have them to divert air from lifting the car during high speed, in case u ignorant mind still stucked, read this link.

http://en.wikipedia....er_(automotive)

What a stupid way to compare car base on ratio, do u think this is LCD TV ? or computer monitor ? every car set up are different, when Almera r to be design in such way, the chassis would have been design for it, remember this is not a OEM car, manufacturer do not use the same frame & add on length & width later, understand fools.

Stupid a wider body does not help in evade object, if such a dumb theory r use, why not i assume Almera will able to evade object since it had more narrow body (who do u think will get shot easily ? a chubby soldier or slimmer one?).

U have not even test the car, already u give so much baseless comment. smile_angry.gif


Wah the battle extended to Vois Forum smile_tongue.gif

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 08:50 AM

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QUOTE (jayraptor @ Nov 22 2012, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi rx330,

The hatchback variant new Vios already sold in US as Yaris powered by same existing 1.5L + 4AT having the same FC as current Vios. They have announced sedan variant launch in Q1 2013 to compete with Rio, Accent and Almera sedan.

The current Vios engine is so far good for city driving and only lose out on highway as it is using 1st generation VVT without high end support. Vios is city car at the moment, unless Toyota is willing to give us the upgraded to dual VVT 1.5 + 5AT or CVT, then it will be king for city and highway.

Already compared Latio 1.5 (same engine as Almera) vs Vios 1.5, the Vios wins in city driving FC by 1km/L and draw in highway FC. Almera's long tail with more drag + weight distributed further behind + having higher ground clearance at 160mm will be less stable than Latio. Almera is even more floaty than the already floaty Latio, even infected car journalists admitted driving at higher speed is not stable.

Anyway, if your friend willing to wait for the new Vios 2013 is still a better choice compared to Almera. It is more aerodynamic, less drag on the tail and eventually gets slightly better FC than current Vios Dugong. At least is still look like car rather than a train. smile_big.gif


Hi jayraptor

Thanks for the info.

mmm... could this be the Vios 2013... smile_tongue.gif





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If the above is the new Vios, it surely more beautiful than the Almera smile_approve.gif
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