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Cvt Feeling Feedback For Exora, Saga, Preve


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wlighter

Posted 20 April 2012 - 11:50 AM

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this is the feedback on the feeling of the CVT. for problem related i think better use the other pinned thread...

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 12:13 PM

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1. Engine-brake effect too obvious when u lift throttle = not smooth + not comfortable
2. Loud cvt whinning noice

Both my wife & my impression on short test drives @ Saga flx & Exora bold. Tested the Inspira immediately after, none of above appears = same feeling with Sylphy = smile_thumbup.gif

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 01:54 PM

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QUOTE (yeong @ Apr 20 2012, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. Engine-brake effect too obvious when u lift throttle = not smooth + not comfortable
2. Loud cvt whinning noice

Both my wife & my impression on short test drives @ Saga flx & Exora bold. Tested the Inspira immediately after, none of above appears = same feeling with Sylphy = smile_thumbup.gif


Strange, mitsubishi taiwan and china changed from mmc cvt to punch because the old one had to much cvt whining...
It's car related as well however, the inspira is a mitsubishi that is most probably better isolated.
The mmc uses a torque converter, old technique but nothing wrong with that. Just that it will not be used anymore in a couple of years because fuel economy is not good. We can calibrate a cvt to be more fuel efficient than a manual, with torque converter no way.
Also, i drive the bold every day and i can't say anything about the engine braking to be honest. Also this is quite subjective as i allready had customers that said it was dangerous for cornering as it doensn't have enough engine braking... So yeah figure that out? Is there a different drivestyle for malays and eg chinese people living here?
Technical explanation, if you dont use engine braking like the inspira, the fuel is driving the engine around, if you couple the wheels to the engine to brake as we do, the wheels drive the engine and you can stop injecting fuel, so off throttle means no fuel consumption loss...



Thanks

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 01:56 PM

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QUOTE (kristof @ Apr 20 2012, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Strange, mitsubishi taiwan and china changed from mmc cvt to punch because the old one had to much cvt whining...
It's car related as well however, the inspira is a mitsubishi that is most probably better isolated.
Also, i drive the bold every day and i can't say anything about the engine braking to be honest. Also this is quite subjective as i allready had customers that said it was dangerous for cornering as it doensn't have enough engine braking... So yeah figure that out? Is there a different drivestyle for malays and eg chinese people living here?

Thanks

One more question the saga testcar you drove was this the 1.3 or 1.6?

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 02:01 PM

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QUOTE (kenjidc2 @ Apr 20 2012, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
everytime when the CVT indicator light is on, there will be fault code appear for service center to refer?

Offcoarse its stored in our computers memory. Keep in mind though that after 20 restarts of the engine without the fault code appearing it will be gone as it will be considered a one off, or solved problem.

Good luck!

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 02:38 PM

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QUOTE (kristof @ Apr 20 2012, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One more question the saga testcar you drove was this the 1.3 or 1.6?

Thanks

1.3.
If one is aggressive may be this cvt characteristic suits him well,as got the always-engage feel. But I practice defensive driving,so prioritizes on relax & loose cruising.

No point debating on the cvt noise. If you think it's fine then so be it, I am not even an owner. In fact hard for me to become an owner as wife strong objection to new Proton is "noisy engine, no good".She doesn't even want to test drive Preve due to this rolleyes.gif

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 03:56 PM

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hi All:

is it normal having "switch-shock" or "Jerking" when car moving at low-speed ? e.g. moving at <=20km/h in traffic congested road. rolleyes.gif



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Posted 20 April 2012 - 04:46 PM

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QUOTE (8553saga @ Apr 20 2012, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hi All:

is it normal having "switch-shock" or "Jerking" when car moving at low-speed ? e.g. moving at <=20km/h in traffic congested road. rolleyes.gif


Most probably what you feel is the powertrain moving in its mounting tilting from forward to reverse and back.

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 04:49 PM

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QUOTE (yeong @ Apr 20 2012, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1.3.
If one is aggressive may be this cvt characteristic suits him well,as got the always-engage feel. But I practice defensive driving,so prioritizes on relax & loose cruising.

No point debating on the cvt noise. If you think it's fine then so be it, I am not even an owner. In fact hard for me to become an owner as wife strong objection to new Proton is "noisy engine, no good".She doesn't even want to test drive Preve due to this rolleyes.gif


Indeed no point. Some people cant even hear it some think its anoying. Its something we work on however to also satisfy the most critical customers. Thanks for your feedback anyway!

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:09 PM

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QUOTE (kristof @ Apr 20 2012, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Offcoarse its stored in our computers memory. Keep in mind though that after 20 restarts of the engine without the fault code appearing it will be gone as it will be considered a one off, or solved problem.

Good luck!


thank you.