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Toyota Camry Sucks!


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cocobanna

Posted 02 November 2011 - 01:08 PM

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I cannot believe it..less than 2 yrs old car need to skim twice and change the brake disc!!! does anyone have the same problem with their camry 2.0 G or is this my bad luck??!!!

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 01:22 PM

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QUOTE (cocobanna @ Nov 2 2011, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I cannot believe it..less than 2 yrs old car need to skim twice and change the brake disc!!! does anyone have the same problem with their camry 2.0 G or is this my bad luck??!!!


woow! sad to hear it. do you leave in area with a lots of sand and stone?

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 02:33 PM

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I think sand getting in smile_blackeye.gif

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 03:42 PM

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QUOTE (cocobanna @ Nov 2 2011, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I cannot believe it..less than 2 yrs old car need to skim twice and change the brake disc!!! does anyone have the same problem with their camry 2.0 G or is this my bad luck??!!!


Brake disk warping or uneven wear do happen to other makes too, not just Camry which you are unfortunate to own one. Honda Accord is also prone to such problems. Anyway, my opinion:

[1] When your car is under warranty, you have no choice but to bring the car to Toyota SC [may not be good to continue to do so after warranty period or mileage]..they will do whatever they can dream of [skimming, changing and skimming and later made you screaming]

[2] I suspect the incompatiblity of the brake pads [Toyota ori] with the brake disk [causing uneven wear [scoring] due to abrasions and not warping in the strictest sense]

[3] My second-hand Camry came with both so-called warped disks and it juddered when braking at high speed. I skimmed those bloody disks and replaced the brake pads with Bendic Metal King pads. They had been there for 2 years without the slightest judder and noise. The Bendix pads performing better [more grip] than those ori Toyota pads.

If the Bendix Metal King pads continue to be good and trouble free, then I will be quite convinced that mismatched pads and discs could be the cause of this problem.

Anyway, if Camry sucks, then sell it and buy something else loh.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 04:39 PM

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QUOTE (zhen @ Nov 2 2011, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think sand getting in smile_blackeye.gif


Ya! The disc woundn't damage to easy unless regulary drive on surface that with a lots of sand and stone (small one).. or many cats LOL!... smile_big.gif BIG CATs

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 12:52 PM

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QUOTE (Nokia6280 @ Nov 2 2011, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ya! The disc woundn't damage to easy unless regulary drive on surface that with a lots of sand and stone (small one).. or many cats LOL!... smile_big.gif BIG CATs


I think we can't avoid disc warpping in most of the time. Many people told me, including SC was that it happen because the disc is sometimes subsject to sudden change in temperature. For example, washing the car when the disc is still extremely hot, water splashing when driving during rainy day. I personally can't verify the information given to me. But I notice that most of my friends (from different car make) that always wash the car are having this problem, including myself. May be another thing is that ori disc uses lousy material that easily warp. Be careful not to skim the disc too many time, I'm afraid that it will break if it is too thin. I skim mine once or twice, now I change to brembo disc, so far so good.

QUOTE (Nokia6280 @ Nov 2 2011, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ya! The disc woundn't damage to easy unless regulary drive on surface that with a lots of sand and stone (small one).. or many cats LOL!... smile_big.gif BIG CATs


I think we can't avoid disc warpping in most of the time. Many people told me, including SC was that it happen because the disc is sometimes subsject to sudden change in temperature. For example, washing the car when the disc is still extremely hot, water splashing when driving during rainy day. I personally can't verify the information given to me. But I notice that most of my friends (from different car make) that always wash the car are having this problem, including myself. May be another thing is that ori disc uses lousy material that easily warp. Be careful not to skim the disc too many time, I'm afraid that it will break if it is too thin. I skim mine once or twice, now I change to brembo disc, so far so good.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 05:58 PM

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QUOTE (turbo5008 @ Nov 3 2011, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think we can't avoid disc warpping in most of the time. Many people told me, including SC was that it happen because the disc is sometimes subsject to sudden change in temperature. For example, washing the car when the disc is still extremely hot, water splashing when driving during rainy day. I personally can't verify the information given to me. But I notice that most of my friends (from different car make) that always wash the car are having this problem, including myself. May be another thing is that ori disc uses lousy material that easily warp. Be careful not to skim the disc too many time, I'm afraid that it will break if it is too thin. I skim mine once or twice, now I change to brembo disc, so far so good.



Base on my understanding from my SC that those scatch are from very hard object that stuck in between the break pad and disc. Base on my number of years of driving, so far 6 cars. I never change or solder before and the only time you need to solder your disc is when the scatch is so deep about 1-2mm.


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Posted 03 November 2011 - 06:01 PM

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QUOTE (turbo5008 @ Nov 3 2011, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think we can't avoid disc warpping in most of the time. Many people told me, including SC was that it happen because the disc is sometimes subsject to sudden change in temperature. For example, washing the car when the disc is still extremely hot, water splashing when driving during rainy day. I personally can't verify the information given to me. But I notice that most of my friends (from different car make) that always wash the car are having this problem, including myself. May be another thing is that ori disc uses lousy material that easily warp. Be careful not to skim the disc too many time, I'm afraid that it will break if it is too thin. I skim mine once or twice, now I change to brembo disc, so far so good.


So, you do believe those words of SC's. Since I am still testing the logic of brake pads scoring the disks, till this stage I still don't believe that "cold water damage" theory by those SC's [and owners who had been told to believe that theory as it was from the SC's, should be true].

It was easier to blame the users that they should not be washing their cars when brakes are still hot....would they dare to say that the materails used by original Toyota brake pads are not compatible to the brake disks. Had they conducted stringent failure tests and analysis to proclaim and assign such a cause of brake warping? I doubt so, as it was easier to convince owners that cold water could damage the disks.

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Posted 09 November 2011 - 09:12 AM

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QUOTE (profkaizen @ Nov 3 2011, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, you do believe those words of SC's. Since I am still testing the logic of brake pads scoring the disks, till this stage I still don't believe that "cold water damage" theory by those SC's [and owners who had been told to believe that theory as it was from the SC's, should be true].

It was easier to blame the users that they should not be washing their cars when brakes are still hot....would they dare to say that the materails used by original Toyota brake pads are not compatible to the brake disks. Had they conducted stringent failure tests and analysis to proclaim and assign such a cause of brake warping? I doubt so, as it was easier to convince owners that cold water could damage the disks.


I somehow agree that,the material being used is of question.You mean to say we are suppose to drive in lab condition.hahahah,engineer knows we will drive in rain,wash our car....but our naked eye cannot differentiate between a russian diamond and a real diamond..heheheheheh..I will take what the SC/SA people said with tonne of salt.

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Posted 09 November 2011 - 12:23 PM

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QUOTE (tewniasing @ Nov 9 2011, 09:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I somehow agree that,the material being used is of question.You mean to say we are suppose to drive in lab condition.hahahah,engineer knows we will drive in rain,wash our car....but our naked eye cannot differentiate between a russian diamond and a real diamond..heheheheheh..I will take what the SC/SA people said with tonne of salt.



the same disc brake juddering also happened to other car manufacturer,.. also to Honda and other makes...
its part of wear and tear kind of thing.. theoretically sudden drop in temp does make the metal/disc warp.

no way to avoid this.. for e.g. if you go downhill form Genting.. instead of lowering down the gear.. perhaps u instead did hard breaking all the way.. and suddenly there was a downpour.. so high possibility that your front disc might warp.

rather than skimming, if the juddering was bad enough,. then you might have to replace both front disc at your own cost.. as this is considered as wear and tear, not covered under warranty.
tough luck..