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Forte Koup & New Optima 2011 : Launch Date & Expected Price?


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darreltian

Posted 06 January 2011 - 12:07 PM

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Cerato (known as Forte in some markets) has released a hatchback model to complete its full lineup along with the Cerato Sedan and Cerato Koup. In this posting, you’ll find more info about the 6-speed automatic transmission that improves Cerato’s fuel efficiency and acceleration.

The Gamma front-wheel drive 6-speed automatic transmission, to be installed in the 2011 Cerato, is a compact transmission of world class standards developed using Kia Motors’ unique layout.

It employs a wide range of new technologies to significantly enhance performance, fuel economy and environment friendliness over the existing 4- or 5-speed transmissions. It boasts superior qualities that put it at the forefront of the world’s automatic transmission market.

Compared to the 4-speed automatic transmission, the 6-speed produces an 8% improvement in fuel efficiency, 15% faster zero to 100kmh acceleration time (seconds) and 17% quicker 60kmh to 100khm passing time (seconds).

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The 6-speed transmission also weighs 5kg less than the existing 5-speed, features 62 fewer parts and is 6mm shorter in length. This results in improved fuel efficiency, performance and lighter weight.

About 300 basic patents have been acquired related to the unique layout featuring three planetary gearsets, two clutches and three brakes. In line with our plans to match performance with our design-led vehicles, Kia plans to develop basic technologies for a rear-wheel drive 8-speed transmission and a front-wheel drive 8-speed transmission to secure greater competitiveness in the automatic transmission market.

Additionally, Kia applied a Transmission Control Unit (TCU) with integrated input, control and output units to maintain optimal fuel consumption and performance levels. The input unit receives information related to input/output revolution, oil temperature, number of engine revolutions and engine torque, while the control unit assesses driving conditions and makes calculations to determine the transmission gear and control the oil pressure/damper clutch.

The solenoid valve operates on signals from the control unit and adjusts the oil pressure to control the transmission. In effect, this means that the 6-speed automatic transmission was developed to respond nimbly and accurately to various vehicle data and the driver’s intention, much like a manual transmission.

Meanwhile, the torque converter which relays the engine’s power to the vehicle is more compact and lightweight while offering higher capacity. The seal-type 2-pinion differential provides 50% improved durability while the hydraulic deviation adjustment valve body enhances the shift feel to deliver a smoother ride.

The lubricant grooves of friction materials of the clutch were optimized to enhance oil flow between clutches while shifting gears, thereby enhancing the shift quality. The stacked planetary gear carrier allows for a shorter length and simplified structure. As for the gear ratio, the first gear ratio is set approximately 11% higher than in previous transmissions for improved hill climbing acceleration while the sixth gear is set 2.5% lower to improve fuel economy, raise the top speed and increase durability.

I hope you all have a chance to discover the joyful experience of our new 6-speed transmission with the Cerato.

(source from MFC by Rikeys bro...)

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 09:28 PM

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QUOTE (DSAI @ Jan 6 2011, 08:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
got discont for the forte model (old model) ka?


I guess NAZA is no longer doing business like the old times by giving heavy discounts. This is good practice as it keeps the value of the Forte in a good position.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 10:47 PM

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QUOTE (multipla @ Jan 7 2011, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I guess NAZA is no longer doing business like the old times by giving heavy discounts. This is good practice as it keeps the value of the Forte in a good position.


naza is offloading the old forte with new features upgrade which will cost rm10k extra,
features like body kit, navi, rev cam, light sensors, rain senors, leather seats, etc.



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Posted 08 January 2011 - 12:50 AM

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but now i became fedup already...the parts is very hard to get....
a new hope...

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 11:46 AM

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QUOTE (philp @ Jan 7 2011, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
naza is offloading the old forte with new features upgrade which will cost rm10k extra,
features like body kit, navi, rev cam, light sensors, rain senors, leather seats, etc.


Free stuff is OK!, as they will still sell the Forte at RM81.8k.

I remember hearing the older generation KIA's were given heavy price cuts, which made buyers of older KIA's turn away from the current ones!

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 12:22 PM

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QUOTE (multipla @ Jan 8 2011, 11:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Free stuff is OK!, as they will still sell the Forte at RM81.8k.

I remember hearing the older generation KIA's were given heavy price cuts, which made buyers of older KIA's turn away from the current ones!


hehehe, probably learning how nasim upholds peugeot prices. sister companies mah. good to learn and put into practice best practices. overall, hope this changes people's opinions about kia resale values. without discounting, the resale is solely dependent on market forces/demand. this is a much better gauge.

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 10:09 AM

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QUOTE (TheGunner @ Jan 6 2011, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Jay, which market is the Forte Koup 2.4 sold with CVT? To my understanding, similarities between the Lancer and Forte only goes as far as the engine block dimensions and design. Even the cylinder heads used by the Theta-II and 4B1x engines are markedly different, and to my knowledge they don't share transmissions.

Hyundai-Kia spent a great deal of money to develop the 6 A/T, and for a model like the Forte, I have huge doubts that they'll go through the trouble to source another transmission when they already have one that they are very proud of.


Hi Gunner,

Just read from articles in the US. The Koup 2.4 is mated to 6-speed CVT used in Lancer GT. The difference between Forte and Lancer 2.0 and 2.4 are some of the internal combustion materials and valve timing system. Mitsu would keep some secret recipe for their own so that it won't be overtaken by its partner Hyundai/Kia. The air intakes are totally different except Hyundai/Kia focus more on practicality without having the air intake to cross above the battery that would make battery removal difficult.

Now that Hyundai-Kia got their own conventional 6-speed auto, I'm glad to hear that as I don't have to worry about expensive CVT fluid and labour.

Hi izz,

Thanks for the info

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 10:58 PM

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Hi,

Seriously thinking to get forte. the new 2011 forte 6 speed that i have been reading on the net is it sedan or hatchback? TQ

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 11:13 AM

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QUOTE (clpiau @ Jan 15 2011, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi,

Seriously thinking to get forte. the new 2011 forte 6 speed that i have been reading on the net is it sedan or hatchback? TQ

Hi Clpiau,

Sedan. New stocks plus the KOUP already spotted at port klang. Was informed by a SA:
1.6 EX with 6 speed : RM78.8K OTR shod with 16" rims
1.6 SX : RM84,800 with all the goodies
2.0 SX : +4K

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 09:34 AM

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QUOTE (darreltian @ Jan 17 2011, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Clpiau,

Sedan. New stocks plus the KOUP already spotted at port klang. Was informed by a SA:
1.6 EX with 6 speed : RM78.8K OTR shod with 16" rims
1.6 SX : RM84,800 with all the goodies
2.0 SX : +4K


sorry darraltian.. correction..
forte 1.6sx is rm 85800
diff rm 4k coz get extra paddle shifter..