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Posted 13 October 2010 - 12:45 PM

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QUOTE (jayraptor @ Oct 13 2010, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When Cruze had its wings already being badly wounded by propaganda and the chain reaction from false news that it required healing before it could fly again. Yet, Chevy Marketing staffs are sort of dumb in promoting cars that have several advantages that they could press on. Just because of acceleration of 0-100km/h in 11.5s slower than many 1.8L cars, they just stood there like wood.


Chevy's marketing strategy for the Cruze has always focused on promoting the rigidity of its chassis, its high-speed refinement, 6-speed automatic transmission, and its safety levels.

QUOTE (jayraptor @ Oct 13 2010, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It requires someone and many to counter back these false news propaganda spread by infected journalists and cowards in order to heal the wounded Cruze. Not to say that I'm veering off topic, I'm still on right track. Isn't comments about infected journalists shooting down Cruze still related to Cruze topic?


Would you like me to get you in touch with Chevrolet's marketing and PR team? smile_wink.gif

QUOTE (jayraptor @ Oct 13 2010, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not even mad at you, I don't have to chill out. I'm just fending off infected journalists attack on car brands models that are posing threat to the N and H brands. Since you are on my suspect list and if I share evidence with you, aren't you going to inform the infector allowing them to punish those who passed me the evidence?


Neither do I hold any personal feelings against you. But how would the infector punish the person who passed you the evidence? Spank them?

Remember also, if you don't back up your accusations with evidence, and you have made serious accusations here, where would your credibility be? I'm not asking you to share any evidence with me privately, I'm asking you to show it to all.

QUOTE (jayraptor @ Oct 13 2010, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, in journalists hearts, these cars that they attempted to shoot down are great and superb but infector's infection is more important. They don't mind shooting down these quality cars to protect the N and H brands. Fiesta when it is available on the road, those infected journalists will surely shoot it down especially when it is proven to have superb FC while having superior performance and handling. Things that they'll attack would be maintenance, spare parts, resale value and would rev harder when taking FC reading like Forte.


You don't need journalists to shoot down other makes when it comes to the maintenance and resale value. The ah peks on the street are more than happy to do it without any prompting.


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Posted 14 October 2010 - 11:47 AM

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I have been following Jayraptor (Jay for short) and he seems to have a very good and intimate knowledge of cars. Of course, nowadays, with the Internet, you don't need to be an Engineer or in the automotive line to quote the things that Jay has quoted.

However, what really tickles my feathers is his immense affection and love for Korean makes and hatred towards the Slyphy. Granted I am also no fan of the N brand and my purchase of cars are always based on financials and perception of QC and after sales support.

I do not have feelings for my car beyond its function as a people mover. You can critise the car brand that I drive or the company and I could not care less, beyond sharing my own personal experiences with it. We have to agree to disagree with the facts and our personnal opinions derived from owning and driving the car which is different and unique.

So, why so personal Jay? You seem to think that there is an agenda amongst the motoring Fraternity to bring down the Korean brands. Honestly, you either underestimate majority of Car buyers or overestimate Motoring Journalist.

People who are willing to part away with RM100K for a Car will not solely base their decision on what the reviews are by Motoring Journalist. Yes, it would make a small impact, but its very small, and mosty, they will only read the selected parts to reinforce their own decision whether to buy or not to buy. Matured Buyers will not be interested in the specs for 0 to 100 because, in everyday driving, no one revs their car like that.

Jay, you should declare your financial interest in Korean Cars, cos the way you defend them is beyond the logic and comprehension of a normal Joe who loves his Korean car. Even if there was realy a conspriacy amongst selected Motoring Journalist to shoot down Korean Cars, how would that affect you, beyond that of an ordinary car owner.

This is your credibility, are you just a car lover or someone who is also doing psychological warfare. i.e. his own silent propogranda.

On a footnote, there is no doubt that Korean cars have improved over the last 10-years and will continue to improve and to challenge the Jap cars internationally. But with the way the Brand is being promoted in Malaysia, it will take many more years for that to happen.



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Posted 18 October 2010 - 02:24 AM

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we got Japanese, Korean, European cars in here, when is the Taiwanese going to come? smile_big.gif looks so tempting lar..

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 09:54 AM

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anyone actually bought this car? do they have grey interior now? how's the interest rate?

seems like this car is not welcome by buyer in malaysia, like mondeo. this is odd. I find this car very cool, but very hard to choose between forte and cruze.

cruze= better look+6 speed, but 2 airbag. 1.8 liter
forte= subtle look +4 speed but 6 airbag. 2 liter

i think i better test drive cruze first. done test drive on 1.6 forte, not bad.

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 10:54 AM

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Hi Gunner,

"Would you like me to get you in touch with Chevrolet's marketing and PR team?"
No thanks, I know roughly who they were and met some of them. Just some Chevy ex-salesmen who have been with Chevy few years then got absorbed as permanent staff and given management post. They are less likely to listen. The best way to let people prove their Cruze is to use some of them for car rental. That is the closest way of owning that car and get accurate reading of FC especially city traffic, long distance cruise with family/friends loaded with full cargo, handling, etc. Estimated rental per day for Cruze should be RM400 or less because Altis 1.8E at RM420. Camry 2.0E and Accord 2.0VTi at RM440. Or they can give it like RM200 for half day or give per hour rate so that more can try the Cruze 100%. Rather than leaving some of the showroom units there idling and not generating income.


"But how would the infector punish the person who passed you the evidence? Spank them?"
What else, firing letter ofcourse. You want them jobless?


Hi cfa,

I did not have grudge against Sylphy and its siblings before I found out:
- those lightfoot and ads claims are nothing more than false exaggerated gimmicks with modded tanks.
- those infected journalists that defended the false claims heavily and attempted to bring down other better models through coward unethical style attacks.
- inspected the ingredients, found that car is nothing more than an extended B-segment. Wira Executive width 1690mm with lengthened wheelbase (not limo), does it consider C-segment because of >2600mm wheelbase and plenty of rear legroom? Yet the seats in Wira is bigger than Sylphy's.
- poorest handling, tend to understeer badly with heavy bodyroll
- regret buyers aplenty, as evident from number of Sylphy being sold as used compared to Altis.

Attacks from several more than just Sylphy owners forumners startled me to talk more. Just to bring them to shame in return. They are still facts, not made up story. Imagine a B-segment wannabe with 2.0L engine at RM116k inferior to all C-segments and even to sub RM100k cars.

If we kept quiet when carmakers giving us crap cars, they will never improve and keep giving us crap junks to minimise cost and maximise profits. Like the Altis, Toyota felt the pain in losing to Koreans so they give us dual VVT-i + CVT gearbox with added ingredient at RM2k extra in facelift. Vios & Camry not yet feel the pain so they still treat us as easy to cheat idiots. Why stick to carmakers that treat buyers as fools? Teach them good lesson by getting better alternatives, competition makes things better. Infected car journalists tend to make us stick to monopoly brands by talking bad about others in their missions.

Stinger82,

The best way to understand the Cruze more is to hope that Chevy could put up few cars that are meant for testing out for rental. At least we try it with feel of owning it in taking family/friends for outing, going to work, get stuck in traffic, get to cruise, etc. Guaranteed 100% accurate FC reading.

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 11:37 AM

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QUOTE (jayraptor @ Oct 18 2010, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The best way to let people prove their Cruze is to use some of them for car rental. That is the closest way of owning that car and get accurate reading of FC especially city traffic, long distance cruise with family/friends loaded with full cargo, handling, etc."


Agree with this point. Told my wife, the next time we change car, no point to test drive cos you won't be able to really know how the car performs. We should look for a car rental, preferably a few years old so u know how the car performs after a few years.

As for the light foor, believe that Gunner took part in a different contest, with Chips Yap and although they did perform much better than the Manufacturer's claims, it was done under very different conditions and should never be followed on daily drives such as switching off the engine, driving with side mirrors folded. Yet, its no where near the Record that you are talking about.




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Posted 18 October 2010 - 12:10 PM

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QUOTE (cfa @ Oct 18 2010, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Agree with this point. Told my wife, the next time we change car, no point to test drive cos you won't be able to really know how the car performs. We should look for a car rental, preferably a few years old so u know how the car performs after a few years.


Agree on this too, the longer the time you spend with the car, the better you will get to know it. It's a bit like marriage, you won't know what your partner is truly made of until you stay with him/her. Showroom test drive is a bit like a one night stand.

QUOTE (cfa @ Oct 18 2010, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As for the light foor, believe that Gunner took part in a different contest, with Chips Yap and although they did perform much better than the Manufacturer's claims, it was done under very different conditions and should never be followed on daily drives such as switching off the engine, driving with side mirrors folded. Yet, its no where near the Record that you are talking about.


Yeah, there was a separate media category, all using the Sylphy. Figures in this category ranged between 24.7 km/l and 39.7 km/l. With Chips in the driver's seat, our car got 29.8km/l. I drove us back at a brisk pace and still got a decent 23.9km/l.
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Posted 18 October 2010 - 12:31 PM

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QUOTE (jayraptor @ Oct 18 2010, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
- those lightfoot and ads claims are nothing more than false exaggerated gimmicks with modded tanks.


This time round, many of us there actually suggested to Nissan not to over zealously use these figures in their A&P. It is also why almost every one of us journalists included disclaimers in our articles saying that these figures are not achievable in day-to-day driving.

QUOTE (jayraptor @ Oct 18 2010, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
- those infected journalists that defended the false claims heavily and attempted to bring down other better models through coward unethical style attacks.


QUOTE (jayraptor @ Oct 18 2010, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Infected car journalists tend to make us stick to monopoly brands by talking bad about others in their missions.


The same accusation can now be leveled against you for similarly focusing your attacks on the N-brand and also journalists without showing us your evidence of foul play behind the scenes. Perhaps you are INFECTED by some other parties yourself? smile_clown.gif
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Posted 18 October 2010 - 03:29 PM

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QUOTE (jayraptor @ Oct 18 2010, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Gunner,

"Would you like me to get you in touch with Chevrolet's marketing and PR team?"
No thanks, I know roughly who they were and met some of them. Just some Chevy ex-salesmen who have been with Chevy few years then got absorbed as permanent staff and given management post. They are less likely to listen. The best way to let people prove their Cruze is to use some of them for car rental. That is the closest way of owning that car and get accurate reading of FC especially city traffic, long distance cruise with family/friends loaded with full cargo, handling, etc. Estimated rental per day for Cruze should be RM400 or less because Altis 1.8E at RM420. Camry 2.0E and Accord 2.0VTi at RM440. Or they can give it like RM200 for half day or give per hour rate so that more can try the Cruze 100%. Rather than leaving some of the showroom units there idling and not generating income.


"But how would the infector punish the person who passed you the evidence? Spank them?"
What else, firing letter ofcourse. You want them jobless?


Hi cfa,

I did not have grudge against Sylphy and its siblings before I found out:
- those lightfoot and ads claims are nothing more than false exaggerated gimmicks with modded tanks.
- those infected journalists that defended the false claims heavily and attempted to bring down other better models through coward unethical style attacks.
- inspected the ingredients, found that car is nothing more than an extended B-segment. Wira Executive width 1690mm with lengthened wheelbase (not limo), does it consider C-segment because of >2600mm wheelbase and plenty of rear legroom? Yet the seats in Wira is bigger than Sylphy's.
- poorest handling, tend to understeer badly with heavy bodyroll
- regret buyers aplenty, as evident from number of Sylphy being sold as used compared to Altis.

Attacks from several more than just Sylphy owners forumners startled me to talk more. Just to bring them to shame in return. They are still facts, not made up story. Imagine a B-segment wannabe with 2.0L engine at RM116k inferior to all C-segments and even to sub RM100k cars.

If we kept quiet when carmakers giving us crap cars, they will never improve and keep giving us crap junks to minimise cost and maximise profits. Like the Altis, Toyota felt the pain in losing to Koreans so they give us dual VVT-i + CVT gearbox with added ingredient at RM2k extra in facelift. Vios & Camry not yet feel the pain so they still treat us as easy to cheat idiots. Why stick to carmakers that treat buyers as fools? Teach them good lesson by getting better alternatives, competition makes things better. Infected car journalists tend to make us stick to monopoly brands by talking bad about others in their missions.

Stinger82,

The best way to understand the Cruze more is to hope that Chevy could put up few cars that are meant for testing out for rental. At least we try it with feel of owning it in taking family/friends for outing, going to work, get stuck in traffic, get to cruise, etc. Guaranteed 100% accurate FC reading.

Jayraptor ,

Well said smile_thumbup.gif , you're my idol smile_kisses.gif
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Posted 19 October 2010 - 10:40 AM

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QUOTE (kawkawchan @ Oct 18 2010, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jayraptor ,

Well said smile_thumbup.gif , you're my idiot smile_kisses.gif


Hi kawkawchan,

Thanks for the complement though the typo error is not good. Hahaha.....

Hi cfa,

Cars that require much convincing will have prepare car rental to let more people know the actual pros. Better than leaving the cars idle at showroom to rot. Can generate additional income other than just car sales and service alone while able to spread facts around. Still, the carmakers earn not just profit but positive reputation and perception.

Hi gunner,

"these figures are not achievable in day-to-day driving."
This only came out when someone questioned the credibility. Besides, the FC figures reading taken as if that car is not sipping fuel at all especially when there is no additional tech such as engine autoshutdown features. Even its tech, it is even behind MMC and Hyundai-Kia. That figure can only be achieved when there's lots of cheating.

Why don't infected journalists try with other cars in lightfoot style to compare FC if they have problem taking actual heavy city traffic FC reading? Until now, no journalists ever posted its actual FC whereas other brands, they will post whenever getting to take home loan unit.

If this is not because of being infected, then what else. That is why infected journalists would take its smooth highway FC at 16km/L that can be achieved on Japan highway only for its FC. On our highway, just 12km/L standard and when less traffic 14km/L. Well, I still get actual details on infected journalists issues. I can see some carmags backing out ever since this 'infected journalist' being brought up. Probably they saw my comments or someone told them to be cautious. They starting to play safe by not mentioning anything.