[important] Peugeot Al4 Gearbox Advice

U bought the car new? How often u change the ATF oil???? Driving style??


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No I bought 2nd, I change about 3 month ago after reach 50.000 km from last change.
Driving style mostly in normal, 2500-3000rpm but some time when need a hurry 100-130km/h ever done but very rarely

Another info :
When I using "manual mode" (+/-) and car is engaged and I press brake, I shiftup gear 1-4 everything are OK, the MID show 1,2,3,4 but when downshift the gear is jum 4,2,1. This is not happend when I run the car using both D and +/- upshif and downshift are running well except the harsh/jerk

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I have my 206 year 2001 snow & sport blinking a month ago. sent for wiring check, cleaning of sensors etc, stilling blinked.
Sent for comp diagnosis and checking by Naza center, nothing found. Diagnosis showed gear box fault. Reset ECU no change.

Every time turn on the ignition switch, the light will blinks. The car driving has no jerk or whatsoever, gear changing no problem till the 4th gear. Speed can still go above 140 kmh.

Naza changed the ATF, the light still blinked. They said maybe the gearbox ECU giving false report.

Anyone can advise..

Me too, my 206 sport & snow light blinking. My 206 milage 16000 plus(now). Sent to pug SC in kuantan and they changed the idle stepper motor but the sport & snow mode were still blinking (milage 1000 plus). I had sent 3 times!! But they cannot solve the problem. Kuantan Pug SC suggest me to sent to Bluebox Glenmarie.

I sent to Bluebox Glenmarie, 1st time: they just reset the ECU. Then i sent again, they changed the idle stepper motor (again??). Guess what? Non of the solution work!!! The sport & snow light blink the next morning even after i took the car from SC.

I never change the ATF oil yet. After reading all of our friends here, i guess i need to change the ATF oil rite?? But my milage only 16000 plus... still need to change the oil?

WARNING INCLUDE: When the sport & snow light blink.. it will lock in 3rd gear (cannot exceed 90/km).. after a while of driving sure the engine die it self (danger!!! becarefull who drive behind me!!! if lorry then? Sure me die!!!). Then sure need to start the engine back but it difficult to ignite.. if ignite the rpm sure when happy frenzy up to 5000rpm!!!! What happen to my car!!!!!!!!

So please help me... what should i do??? I m sure a lots of us having/facing the same problem here???

If you have "Automatic Gearbox Fault" or something similar, then possibly something is wrong. If ATF, AFAIK, there should be no such fault.

Reset is not the way; If reset once, make sure it doesn't come back again after a moment. If it does, something is definitely not right.
Try ask them check the solenoids and actuators?

Btw, when sport and snow mode engaged, the gearbox will go into SAFETY mode (or limp home mode); this is a safety mode to prevent further damage done to the gearbox. During this mode, you should drive gently, do not speed, do not stress the gearbox. In the handbook/manual, it also mentioned not to drive over 100km/h.

No need to change the ATF too early. My206B already clocked more than 50,000km after 3yrs . For instance My405 ATx [non AL4 of course] already run over 100,000km since the last ATF change 6+ yrs ago!. Still OK. I'll run 206B till 100,000km before replacing the ATF. I'll tell if there is any problem. Yes I'd [and will] test it myself before giving advice.



The engine will not die running on that mode as long as u don't exceed recommended speed. I could ram the car up to 120km/hr still no problem. [normally on 3rd can go up to 150+km/hr]


Don't worry too much. As pointed by Andy, most likely its due to the solenoid valve [or actuator]. If the car is below 3yrs [and clocked less than 100,000km] it can be replaced foc. I faced the same problem and the valve was replaced - no question asked. Of course NOT at Glenmarie. . Already 'tested' THREE counts of warranty claims there but nothing was done. Found a better place - probably the best authorised SC in town...


p/s Well perhaps we can sort out the facts from the many motoring fallacies. And yet despite all this common sense and pragmatism, the motoring world is beset with myths and misapprehensions.

UncleD,

Altough there're few ownes who have neve faced any problem even tough they have not change the ATF up to 60,000KM or more than 2 years, but there're also quite a lot of cases which I personally known where the owners faced Sports and Snow mode blinking and was due to ATF, and most of their car is less than 20,000KM but within 1.5 years. Possible suspect is the car in storage for too long, how the car was driven (frequent stop-and-go), etc.
This is also pointed out by Peugeot itself, not claimed by me, you can visit Peugeot Bermuda website which clearly states that due to the climate, humidity and traffic condition (frequent stop-and-go), Peugeot adviced to change the ATF every year.

Of couse, it's up to the owner to decide whether to change or not as I can't confirm it's the ATF issue. But the ATF plays a very important role, and the cleanliness and level is very important too. One of the main reason Sports and Snow mode blinks is due to ATF too.

As below posted in My206Club blog (which is taken from some Aussie site), which explains the importance of the ATF:
http://my206club.blo...l4-gearbox.html

Fluid Condition: Remembering that trans fluid has to do its job in a wide range of categories - cooling, cleaning and lubricating - it's a big ask. Over time the fluid will age and effectiveness is blunted. The transmission ECU includes a "oil wear counter" that adds in appropriate details based on operating temperature, fault events and accrued hours. When the counter is full (rather like putting coins in a jar) the unit needs a service and the wear counter resetting. A simple fluid drain/top up as mentioned earlier is calculated to allow a partial reset of the wear counter, by subtracting 2750 (presently this is a non-verified number) wear units per half litre of oil. Internet sources put the wear counter total at 32768 units.

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Another scenario:
One of the members 405 went for overhaul when it hits 300,000KM (purposely), he ask the mech to overhaul his gearbox and the mech shows his gearbox which is still about 90% new. A result of good maintenance.

I personally think it's dangerous to ask someone not to change the ATF. I mean, it do more harm if it's really due to ATF and it fails, rather than wasting money changing the ATF to find the ATF is not the problem. But this is up to the owner to decide.

Beside, in Peugeot handbook, it clearly states that when the car enters Sport and Smow mode blinking, never drive over 100km/h. The limp home mode is also a safety mode to prevent further damage done to the gearbox and doesn't allow the driver to speed up. If it is due to ATF overheat, thus the owner should actually drive more gently or not to stress the gearbox. When ATF overheats, the Sport and Snow mode will also activates as mentioned in the AL4 documentation (if I remembered correctly).

My approach is more on the "safe" side approach and not to take any risk type. Hope I don't offend anyone. People may have different approach and advice, but the final decision stil is up to the owner himself/herself.

Bro ANdy214,

Experienced the safe mode on my FTO as well. Was also a solenoid prob.