Motor Cycle Tolls

well said..
let see thread starter's respond..

btw some of the point had been posted earlier..
but trust me/she will ask "why bikers need to be exempted from paying tolls?"
again and again until u died boring or maybe laughing...

The reason u want to toll the biker is because u hate them, (u can deny it, but if i will to show the above statemnet of yours to 10 ppl, at least 9 would say that u hate bikers!!) hence many forumer replied to u based on the above sentiment u exhibited, and some how u feel that there is a need to change the topic because many have proven that such attitude of yours is wrong.

But being a stubborn little girl who always want to have the last word, you decided to change the reasons of ur argument to "u-pay-for-what-u-used", after that u start accusing ppl for not sticking to the subject...

aiyo...

By the way, my boss who drive a Mercedes S600 ask me to start a campaign of "Ban-vehicle-with-less-than-2,000c.c-from entering-toll-highway" the reason he cited was : "they are too slow".

My Gwailo friend wanted to start a campaign of "banning-all-vehicle-from-entering-KL-town" because they pollute the air..

And recently another idiot want to start a campaign of "Charging toll to biker"

Maybe our world would be a better place if everybody can have thing their way!! Hahahaha...

haha..u missed the point when he/she turn the word "bikers" to "those who own 2 cars and a harley"...

Dont be so harsh lah.. after all she is just an angry young girl who is not clear of how the world works, yet. One day when she looks back, she will know... Hahaha....

Damn interesting thread with no conclusion

ok dokie..
i'm the culprit here but why...why...everyone pointing finger at the other one..
hahahahaha

U didnt read the whole thing , right?

The conclusion is : The thread starter is not capable of discussing such complicated issue. And if u toll the biker, u will create bigger problem that other members of society not willing to accept, beside Kaylar. While the problem of "Trouble-Making-biker" remain unsolved.


Hence, toll free for bikers!!

Hahaha....

[quote name='dh955' post='1431816' date='Jul 15 2009, 07:43 PM']Since Kaylcar is looking for a legitimate reason why Biker dont need to pay toll, here is my answer.

1) Biker in general earned lesser than Driver, hence it is the social reponsibility of the rich to help the poor. That how a modern society works. for exp. income tax.

how is toll subsidy helping "the poor"? you are making an emotional over generalization, and what is your definition of "rich"? Bikers are NOT forced to use toll highways neither are they FORCED to pay tolls, if they don't use the highway they don't pay anything, you seem to be missing that point.


2) If biker are not allowed to use the toll highway, other non-toll highway will get even more congested. Longer road time will worsen the pollution to our environment, which u happened to be in it!! Not good... right?

you are speculating to make your point, not "not allowed" just not allowed if they don't pay toll, so therefore invalid argument. How do you know non-toll highway get even more congested since the toll highways are free of bikers so they are less congested!

3) Further to No. 2 - when more petrol was used, the need for fossil also increase, increase demand will inevitably force the price to go up, right? Are you happy if the price of petrol is up?? I dont think so!!!

how is "more petrol going to get used? For what? Toll highways less congested because no bikers, so traffic more free flowing uses less petrol. An example is AKLEH, before bikers allowed, no congestion, now bikers allowed, terrible congestion!

3) If biker need to pay toll, can u imagine your car Queing behind an additional of 20~30 bikes before you can pay for your ticket, not a very good thing, isnt it?
A special booth or bike lane for biker, you said? what if the biker decided not to use the toll highway, (which is very likely) who is going to pay for the additional cost incurred? YOU?

no need to use stupid way of collecting tolls in Malaysia, have you been to Dubai? See how traffic doesn't even stop to pay! Get modernised and stop living in the past!

4) please understand that the highway was build for everyone, why is there a toll is simply because the G dont have sufficient fund, hence the toll is like a "Koperasi", every one chipped in to help build the road, once the cost is recovered the toll will be abolished, those additional space for toll booth specially make for bike cost money, and if u insist on that, then all malaysian have to pay the toll longer for the escalation of cost, this is not what u want,right?

this is a very untrue statement. Get your facts right about how toll highways were procured and paid for.

For your information, biker is doing all of us a big favor, imagine all the bikers start driving instead .. u probably have to leave home 2 hours earlier to get to work on time!! not forgetting 2 hours extra on the road to get home. (in case u dont know, most bikers in klang valley own a car, if they dont, with 9 years installment plan, it is not that big a deal to buy a saga now a day)

what's this got to do with paying tolls, it would still be less costly for car and bike owners to use bike, so your logic is bullshit!

So, Instead of thanking them for saving u 3~4 hours of ur precious time daily, you are now trying to hantam them? how ungrateful!!

now the logic is really starting to come apart, are you a politician?



Your suggestion to charge toll on biker is not well thought of, and will only cause even larger problem to the society. (Looking at your previous posts, i dont think u will agree with me, as u dont care about other bigger social problem so long as what u propose is accepted)

the "thought out" bit is for discussion, this is merely a proposal to which I haven't seen a worthwhile reply except lots of irrational and emotional knee jerk reactions. But, since the discussion here is really worthless as shown by the posts so far, I'll just be off on my Harley. Cheers!
:smile_thum

the more i read,there more i felt that kaylcar hate bikers(n i still not believe that u r a biker)..n she's damn arrogant in the way she speak

im wit u here kaylcar,really honest im backing u..i admit that lot of bikers cause trouble,but still it not about bikers,it about our people's mindset/mentality ,give them anything even a "sampan" they will still cause trouble(cilok between sampan in the river )...so stop blaming bikers,plzz.

n bout the tolls,I DUN MIND at all

how is toll subsidy helping "the poor"? you are making an emotional over generalization, and what is your definition of "rich"?
How is government subsidise the poor on rice? They have to make a general ASSUMPTION that ppl who buy local broken rice are generally poor, hence that's the SKUs they will subsidize. Are they being emotional?

This is not the best method, u might say, and i agree with u, and i challenge u to propose a better method.

U probably starting to think maybe interviewing and investigating each & every one to decide who is rich who is poor might work, if the G have to do background check, the process would probably cost government billion and take 50 years to finished!! (ok.. i made up the figure on year, but looking at how our G works, i am very sure abt the billion!!)

The only way out is to stop subsidizing.. of course that will probably cause a huge riot across the country..

The same goes for bike and car, if u can afford to buy a car, u are rich, if u ride a bike, then you are poor, hence, no need to pay toll. FYI, that is not my definition of "RICH". If u are not happy with this method, TOO BAD. After all our topic; after u twist and turn; is "should-the-bike-pay-toll?, and not "is-the-government-method-of-determine-rich-or-poor-fair".

P/S : asking the guy at the toll booth to interview each and every user, run thru the document, then only decide who dont need to pay doesnt works also.

Bikers are NOT forced to use toll highways neither are they FORCED to pay tolls, if they don't use the highway they don't pay anything, you seem to be missing that point.
In the same context, no one force u to drive, if u dont want to pay toll, then just ride a bike, after all u have a Harley.

See, I understand perfectly, but do u understand the subject of our discussion or not? right now the government allowed the biker to use the toll highway for free, so the biker just used it. the issue of "FORCE" is not relevant here. No need to bring it out.


Speculating? U want proof? Well, i got a story for people just like u, once upon a time there was a girl who saw a pile of sh1t sitting in the middle of the road, and being a scientific type who constantly seek for proof, she knelled down and look at the sh1t and say to herself : "hey!! this thing look indeed like a pile of sh1t!"
Then she used her finger to poke at the sh1t and say : "it sure feel like sh1t!!"
Still not satisfied, she put her finger near her nose and say :' Urrh... it actually smell like sh1t!!"
Finally, being who she is, she licked her finger and cried : "Fvck!!! it is sh1t"!!

The moral of the story is; you dont have to lick the sh1t to know it is sh1t, right? (but looking at your posts that constantly ask others to prove themselves, u might be just like that girl above who need to lick the Sh1t to get the answer, so, i might be wrong)

Now, back to our "discussion", if the bike need to pay toll, then most probably they'll opt for alternate route and avoid the toll. (As a biker myself, i will say a big majority of them would not want to pay the toll as they can be equally fast on non-toll road.) That will caused the already-congested non-toll road to get even congested, right?
How do i prove it? well, lets ask the rest of non-sh1t-licking forumers to see if what i said make sense, shall we?

Let use Jln ampang and Akleh for example, if all biker only use jalan ampang, the congestion will get very very bad, while the AKLEH situation would probaly improve slightly. The bad will definitely outweigh the improvement. Hence the overall effect is more pollution than current situation. (Again, i dont intent to lick any sh1t, so i cant show u any proof, just get some common guy in here to see if they agree.) On top of that, there will be more ppl not happy (biker, and jln ampang user) than ppl who are happy (toll road user). If you are the decision maker, in this case, the G, what would be your decision?