Hi everyone,
The above topic (car) is no secret to many of us. We know it is coming (like it or not!) and this latest development proved that Nasim/Naza have been doing their part of the deal quietly behind the scene. The pictures snapped and posted (by Danny Tan himself) showed much of how the car exterior will look like. Pity the front-end picture is of low quality, but Google have lot of good front-end images.
Noted that the front-end spotted the latest 207 nose design (year 2010 design, as earlier 207 sedan were using 'older' 207 nose that was a bit ungainly).
So far, all we know is that the 207 sedan will be using the TU5JP4 engine, a proven and reliable DOHC 1.6L (16V) engine and almost certainly it will be mated to the 4-speed AL4 automatic gearbox (with Porsche Tiptronic). A 6-speed auto gearbox is much much better but this is highly unlikely.
Make no mistake, this is NOT a 206 sedan, as a 'true' 206 sedan should spotted a 206 front and back-end design.
The rear-end design of the spotted car is different than how a 206 sedan rear-end look like.
But having made that statement, hopefully the interior (e.g. the dashboard etc) will be using the 207 interiors rather than 206 one's. If not, then its just a 206 sedan slapped with 'updated' front & rear-end.. or what some labelled as a "206.5".
To read and view the 'spy shots', please click the link below:
http://paultan.org/2...tted-in-rawang/
Hopefully from now on all general discussions regarding the 207 sedan will be centre in this thread as we don't expect the 207 sedan to receive hot and as many reception or inquiries as the 308.
Thanks.
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Peugeot 207 Sedan (t33) General Discussion
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Posted 10 August 2010 - 02:11 PM
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Sadly, it is a 206 with updated front look or slapped with 207 front. The mainframe or body is still of 206. The interrior should be still of 206 as I think the actual 207 is wider, thus can't fit into current 206 body, unless they make some modification.
However, if they get into it, they can update some of the interrior to make it look more updated and upmarket, the 206 interrior itself actually already look way better than many of the current available cars (which looks plain and simple), just that some of the parts looks dated, e.g. Air-Cond vent. If they could do something on that, it will change the overall look and feel and they can sell it to current 206 owners.
Nonetheless, beside this bad news, it can be good news for current 206 owners as they can be assured that parts will conitnue to be supplied, moreover, possibly upgrades on certain parts can be available as an option.
Personally, the looks of this is totally not matching, the front is too big, like having a big head and the rear is small and thin, reminds me of slyphy. Not sure what will be their target audience or market, but pretty sure many current 206 owners aren't fond of the look and feel. Not sure about other Pug enthusiast. They would have to push really hard on the selling point as the Ford Fiesta seems like a better choice in almost every way.
If Nasim-Peugeot able to bring in the 207 THP, that will make a world of difference as it will be outstanding in B Segment category. Imagine those trying out B Segment, younger driver especially, after testing the THP, I wonder if any other car will be able to satisfy or even come close. This market consist of many young drivers, I personally believe they put importance in LOOKS and PERFORMANCE. As can be seen from paultan.org comments, the LOOKS is total failure already, altough it isn't that bad as most of the comments stated, but it gives a picture of "image" or "reputation" of the car in future.
This will be a tough market, and I can just hope and pray it will not end up it's predecessor... Stock Clearance, NCL Loans... and the community of current owners of the car have to contribute and help out those poor buyers, etc.
However, if they get into it, they can update some of the interrior to make it look more updated and upmarket, the 206 interrior itself actually already look way better than many of the current available cars (which looks plain and simple), just that some of the parts looks dated, e.g. Air-Cond vent. If they could do something on that, it will change the overall look and feel and they can sell it to current 206 owners.
Nonetheless, beside this bad news, it can be good news for current 206 owners as they can be assured that parts will conitnue to be supplied, moreover, possibly upgrades on certain parts can be available as an option.
Personally, the looks of this is totally not matching, the front is too big, like having a big head and the rear is small and thin, reminds me of slyphy. Not sure what will be their target audience or market, but pretty sure many current 206 owners aren't fond of the look and feel. Not sure about other Pug enthusiast. They would have to push really hard on the selling point as the Ford Fiesta seems like a better choice in almost every way.
If Nasim-Peugeot able to bring in the 207 THP, that will make a world of difference as it will be outstanding in B Segment category. Imagine those trying out B Segment, younger driver especially, after testing the THP, I wonder if any other car will be able to satisfy or even come close. This market consist of many young drivers, I personally believe they put importance in LOOKS and PERFORMANCE. As can be seen from paultan.org comments, the LOOKS is total failure already, altough it isn't that bad as most of the comments stated, but it gives a picture of "image" or "reputation" of the car in future.
This will be a tough market, and I can just hope and pray it will not end up it's predecessor... Stock Clearance, NCL Loans... and the community of current owners of the car have to contribute and help out those poor buyers, etc.
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Posted 10 August 2010 - 02:56 PM
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QUOTE (intermilan @ Aug 9 2010, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Noted that the front-end spotted the latest 207 nose design (year 2010 design, as earlier 207 sedan were using 'older' 207 nose that was a bit ungainly).
It is not using the face lifted Peugeot 207 front end. From the pictures, it look exactly like a 206+ with a boot. For the interior, I suspect it would also be the interior of a 206 with some 207 design elements.
Pictures of the Peugeot 206+,
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Posted 10 August 2010 - 04:37 PM
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This 207 sedan does not spotted the nose design as the above 206+ hatch. That the 'old' 207 nose.
Instead, it spotted the 'new' year 2010 207 nose design, which is much better to look at.
These are some fresh information regarding the 207 sedan...
Additionally, i heard this 207 sedan will have automatic air-conditioning control (like 206cc, 206GT and 206GTi).
That should be a good 'improvement' over the manual control found in the 206 bestari.
It will significantly enhance the user experience. No more twisting and turning knob or anything alike.
All buttons and its digital. Bye bye analog control.
Another good news is that the MFD (multi function display) at the top centre of the dashboard, will be the two-line MFD, or what is simply referred to as the big MFD (like what multiplex 206 1.6, 206cc, 206GT and 206GTi have). It will be able to display more information. And look much better. Again, 206 bestari only come with the sinlge-line MFD, which is rather small and display less information.
There's reverse sensors too. And the real-time proximity info of the reverse sensor will be display at the MFD.
That is something that even the 206GT, 206GTi and the 206cc don't have. Sigh! This is so not fair lah.
Even RM130K over 206 don't have them.
Instead, it spotted the 'new' year 2010 207 nose design, which is much better to look at.
These are some fresh information regarding the 207 sedan...
Additionally, i heard this 207 sedan will have automatic air-conditioning control (like 206cc, 206GT and 206GTi).
That should be a good 'improvement' over the manual control found in the 206 bestari.
It will significantly enhance the user experience. No more twisting and turning knob or anything alike.
All buttons and its digital. Bye bye analog control.
Another good news is that the MFD (multi function display) at the top centre of the dashboard, will be the two-line MFD, or what is simply referred to as the big MFD (like what multiplex 206 1.6, 206cc, 206GT and 206GTi have). It will be able to display more information. And look much better. Again, 206 bestari only come with the sinlge-line MFD, which is rather small and display less information.
There's reverse sensors too. And the real-time proximity info of the reverse sensor will be display at the MFD.
That is something that even the 206GT, 206GTi and the 206cc don't have. Sigh! This is so not fair lah.
Even RM130K over 206 don't have them.
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Posted 11 August 2010 - 11:32 AM
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after giving the spy shot a few more looks, the 207 sedan do not spotted the 'new' year 2010 207 nose design (check Peugeot UK website) as i believe they were.
The new 207 nose design have a squarish, sweeping fog light, basically ala-308 nose design.
The fog light seen in the spy shots are obviously round.
NTL, these sedan nose design is still not similar with the old 207 nose as the 207 sedan round fog light does not have 'raised border' around it.
The new 207 nose design have a squarish, sweeping fog light, basically ala-308 nose design.
The fog light seen in the spy shots are obviously round.
NTL, these sedan nose design is still not similar with the old 207 nose as the 207 sedan round fog light does not have 'raised border' around it.
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QUOTE (intermilan @ Aug 11 2010, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
after giving the spy shot a few more looks, the 207 sedan do not spotted the 'new' year 2010 207 nose design (check Peugeot UK website) as i believe they were.
The new 207 nose design have a squarish, sweeping fog light, basically ala-308 nose design.
The fog light seen in the spy shots are obviously round.
NTL, these sedan nose design is still not similar with the old 207 nose as the 207 sedan round fog light does not have 'raised border' around it.
The new 207 nose design have a squarish, sweeping fog light, basically ala-308 nose design.
The fog light seen in the spy shots are obviously round.
NTL, these sedan nose design is still not similar with the old 207 nose as the 207 sedan round fog light does not have 'raised border' around it.
This 207 Sedan (206 Sedan with 207 Front look) is from China, same as 408 (308 Sedan).
So, it should be based off the 206+, and also the front look, depends on whether the China version is also updated?
Besides, this 207 Sedan is only available in few "selected" countries? If it were officially available in UK, I "think" it should have different specs already.
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If its from China (as in based on China-market 207 sedan), most probably the Malaysia/ASEAN-market 207 sedan will have similar specifications.
China-market have two version (of the 207 sedan), the Yu Lee and the Pinot version.
Looking at the exterior of the spy-shot we seen, its very similar to the Pinot version (the higher spec).
Pity the lower rear bumper design make the rear look too big.
Its rather ungainly, ala the iDSI Honda City (3rd gen City?)
And this being amplify by the car 'stand' of being quite protruding (tonggek).
Realised it might be due to suspension set up (to give better clearance etc).
But still hope locally, they will adjust the torsion bars (to lower it by an inch) to minimise the protruding look.
Beside our roads should be better than China roads, me think.
IMHO SX4 sedan, Mazda2 sedan looks were ruined due to their 'excessive' protruding at the back.
Hope Nasim/Peugeot won't be too hard-headed and make the same silly mistake.
Beside, any men will look so gay if caught driving a normal new car that is this tonggek.
Okay, back to specification...
It should be badged as a Peugeot.
The taped logo/emblem at the front wings (below the side indicator lamp) should be a "1.6" logo/emblem.
The rear indicator lamp design should be unique to 207 sedan.
Have 3-piece reverse sensors).
Have two (2) rear headrests. Fixed or height adjustable?
Malaysia/ASEAN could have it with beige interior, instead of black.
A black-colour dashboard for beige interior (i.e. dual-tone).
Nasim might bring/offer both interior colours, so customer can choose? Maybe... not.
Which one they bring to Malaysia?
This is the current spec of Peugeot 207 Sedan (Pinot version) from Peugeot China website.
Noted that Nasim might remove or add items. But looking at China retail price for this car & expected price in Malaysia, they should add more items rather than removing them.
SIZE
Length × width × height (mm): 4260 X 1680 X 1468
Wheelbase (mm): 2450
Tread front / rear (mm): 1440/1430
Minimum ground clearance (mm): 120
Minimum turning diameter (m): 9.9
Trunk volume (L): 384
Fuel tank capacity (L): 50
Kerb weight (kg): 1144
POWER SYSTEM
Engine type: Inline four-cylinder, double overhead camshaft (DOHC), Clearance Automatic compensation 16 valve , hydraulic-driven multi-point sequential fuel injection, electronic throttle.
Displacement (cm3/cc): 1587
Compression ratio: 10.5
Rated Power (PS (kW) / rpm): 106 (78) / 5750 (slight de-tuned for China?)
Maximum torque (Nm / rpm): 142/4000 (slight de-tuned for China?)
Transmission: Tiptronic 4-speed
CHASIS
Front Suspension: McPherson-type independent suspension, coil spring, with a triangle under the arm and stabilizer bar
Rear Suspension: Longitudinal arm type independent suspension, torsion bar springs with stabilizer bar
Steering System: Rack and Pinion Power Steering
Brake System: ABS + EBD (EBA?)
Tyre: 185/60 R15
PERFORMANCE
Maximum speed (km / h): 180
Fuel consumption (L/100km) : 6.1
constant speed of 90km/h
SAFETY EQUIPMENT
Dual airbags
Front seat belt pre-tensioners 3 point
ABS + EBD
Third brake light
Front fog lamps
Active Anti-Collision System (What is this??)
Dynamic rolling code security system
Manual dimming rear-view mirror
Automatic door unlock (in case of impact / accident)
Large view mirror (driver side)
Safety Lock
EXTERIOR
Body-colour sport-type front and rear bumpers
Chrome-plated body coloured side strip/moulding
15-inch aluminium alloy wheels (Hockenheim)
Tinted glass (Athermic glass?)
Crystal Diamond headlights
Multi-function trip computer (Big, two-line MFD)
After two floating head (??)
Extra for Black interior
Chrome sports exhaust
INTERIOR
Driver seat height adjustment
Front passenger seat height adjustment (?)
Fold-able rear seats (Split 60:40 too?)
Decorative interior chrome package (chrome air-conditioning vent controls, handbrake button and the inner door handles)
Precision electronic throttle control (drive-by-wire?)
For Black interior
Black fabric seat & dynamic deep interior colour
Aluminium trim sport pedal
Sport white instrument panel
For Beige interior (Dual-tone Interior)
Light-coloured fabric seat & warm light interior colour & Classic black dashboard
But bear in mind that China-market 207 sedan spotted 207 dashboard while Malaysia/ASEAN-market 207 sedan is strongly hinted to be equipped with 206 dashboard.
If so, interior colour choice for Malaysia/ASEAN-market 207 sedan might be not as above. They might stick to all black or not.
COMFORT AND CONVENIENCE FEATURES
Variable power steering
Height adjustable steering wheel
Smart Maintenance Indicator (the service indicator)
"Follow me home" home function
Automatic climate control (Automatic air-conditioning with pollen filter)
External temperature display
Glove box and trunk lighting
Central Lock
Remote Key
4 Power Windows (Driver Side Auto One‐touch?)
Electronically controlled outside mirrors
Parking sensor (Rear)
Radio CD player with USB & MP3 capabilities
6-speaker systems (2 are tweeters).
Lastly.. the price..
Price in China = 99800 Yuan. Around RM46,726.00.
Cheap, right? Price in M'sia? Who knows?
RM65~70K perhaps?
Should be very good if below RM70K OTR.
Just look at the price of the B-segment sedan market leaders/competitors.
All are with automatic transmission unless stated otherwise.
Non-nationals
Vios TRD is RM92K OTR
Vios 1.5G is RM87.3K OTR
Vios 1.5J is RM76K OTR
City 1.5S is RM85.5K OTR
City 1.5E is RM90.5K OTR
SX4 1.6 is RM91.4K OTR
SX4 1.6 PREMIER is RM96.5K OTR
Mazda2 1.5 V-spec is RM80K OTR (but w/o insurance)
Mazda2 1.5 R-spec is RM83K OTR (but w/o insurance)
Fiesta 1.6 Sedan is RM79.9K OTR (estimated price by Ford)
Nationals
Persona 1.6 HL is RM59.5K OTR?
Persona 1.6 ML is RM56K OTR?
Gen2 1.6 HL is RM60.5K OTR?
Waja 1.6 Premium is RM64.9K OTR?
Last but not least..
the NEW Proton Waja ~RM83K?? (which is a threat to almost any non-national car in B & C segment!)
More resources:
China 207 sedan - 360 degree view
http://www.peugeot.c...7/3D/index.html
China 207 sedan specification (in Chinese)
http://www.peugeot.c.../207/table.html
China-market have two version (of the 207 sedan), the Yu Lee and the Pinot version.
Looking at the exterior of the spy-shot we seen, its very similar to the Pinot version (the higher spec).
Pity the lower rear bumper design make the rear look too big.
Its rather ungainly, ala the iDSI Honda City (3rd gen City?)
And this being amplify by the car 'stand' of being quite protruding (tonggek).
Realised it might be due to suspension set up (to give better clearance etc).
But still hope locally, they will adjust the torsion bars (to lower it by an inch) to minimise the protruding look.
Beside our roads should be better than China roads, me think.
IMHO SX4 sedan, Mazda2 sedan looks were ruined due to their 'excessive' protruding at the back.
Hope Nasim/Peugeot won't be too hard-headed and make the same silly mistake.
Beside, any men will look so gay if caught driving a normal new car that is this tonggek.
Okay, back to specification...
It should be badged as a Peugeot.
The taped logo/emblem at the front wings (below the side indicator lamp) should be a "1.6" logo/emblem.
The rear indicator lamp design should be unique to 207 sedan.
Have 3-piece reverse sensors).
Have two (2) rear headrests. Fixed or height adjustable?
Malaysia/ASEAN could have it with beige interior, instead of black.
A black-colour dashboard for beige interior (i.e. dual-tone).
Nasim might bring/offer both interior colours, so customer can choose? Maybe... not.
Which one they bring to Malaysia?
This is the current spec of Peugeot 207 Sedan (Pinot version) from Peugeot China website.
Noted that Nasim might remove or add items. But looking at China retail price for this car & expected price in Malaysia, they should add more items rather than removing them.
SIZE
Length × width × height (mm): 4260 X 1680 X 1468
Wheelbase (mm): 2450
Tread front / rear (mm): 1440/1430
Minimum ground clearance (mm): 120
Minimum turning diameter (m): 9.9
Trunk volume (L): 384
Fuel tank capacity (L): 50
Kerb weight (kg): 1144
POWER SYSTEM
Engine type: Inline four-cylinder, double overhead camshaft (DOHC), Clearance Automatic compensation 16 valve , hydraulic-driven multi-point sequential fuel injection, electronic throttle.
Displacement (cm3/cc): 1587
Compression ratio: 10.5
Rated Power (PS (kW) / rpm): 106 (78) / 5750 (slight de-tuned for China?)
Maximum torque (Nm / rpm): 142/4000 (slight de-tuned for China?)
Transmission: Tiptronic 4-speed
CHASIS
Front Suspension: McPherson-type independent suspension, coil spring, with a triangle under the arm and stabilizer bar
Rear Suspension: Longitudinal arm type independent suspension, torsion bar springs with stabilizer bar
Steering System: Rack and Pinion Power Steering
Brake System: ABS + EBD (EBA?)
Tyre: 185/60 R15
PERFORMANCE
Maximum speed (km / h): 180
Fuel consumption (L/100km) : 6.1
constant speed of 90km/h
SAFETY EQUIPMENT
Dual airbags
Front seat belt pre-tensioners 3 point
ABS + EBD
Third brake light
Front fog lamps
Active Anti-Collision System (What is this??)
Dynamic rolling code security system
Manual dimming rear-view mirror
Automatic door unlock (in case of impact / accident)
Large view mirror (driver side)
Safety Lock
EXTERIOR
Body-colour sport-type front and rear bumpers
Chrome-plated body coloured side strip/moulding
15-inch aluminium alloy wheels (Hockenheim)
Tinted glass (Athermic glass?)
Crystal Diamond headlights
Multi-function trip computer (Big, two-line MFD)
After two floating head (??)
Extra for Black interior
Chrome sports exhaust
INTERIOR
Driver seat height adjustment
Front passenger seat height adjustment (?)
Fold-able rear seats (Split 60:40 too?)
Decorative interior chrome package (chrome air-conditioning vent controls, handbrake button and the inner door handles)
Precision electronic throttle control (drive-by-wire?)
For Black interior
Black fabric seat & dynamic deep interior colour
Aluminium trim sport pedal
Sport white instrument panel
For Beige interior (Dual-tone Interior)
Light-coloured fabric seat & warm light interior colour & Classic black dashboard
But bear in mind that China-market 207 sedan spotted 207 dashboard while Malaysia/ASEAN-market 207 sedan is strongly hinted to be equipped with 206 dashboard.
If so, interior colour choice for Malaysia/ASEAN-market 207 sedan might be not as above. They might stick to all black or not.
COMFORT AND CONVENIENCE FEATURES
Variable power steering
Height adjustable steering wheel
Smart Maintenance Indicator (the service indicator)
"Follow me home" home function
Automatic climate control (Automatic air-conditioning with pollen filter)
External temperature display
Glove box and trunk lighting
Central Lock
Remote Key
4 Power Windows (Driver Side Auto One‐touch?)
Electronically controlled outside mirrors
Parking sensor (Rear)
Radio CD player with USB & MP3 capabilities
6-speaker systems (2 are tweeters).
Lastly.. the price..
Price in China = 99800 Yuan. Around RM46,726.00.
Cheap, right? Price in M'sia? Who knows?
RM65~70K perhaps?
Should be very good if below RM70K OTR.
Just look at the price of the B-segment sedan market leaders/competitors.
All are with automatic transmission unless stated otherwise.
Non-nationals
Vios TRD is RM92K OTR
Vios 1.5G is RM87.3K OTR
Vios 1.5J is RM76K OTR
City 1.5S is RM85.5K OTR
City 1.5E is RM90.5K OTR
SX4 1.6 is RM91.4K OTR
SX4 1.6 PREMIER is RM96.5K OTR
Mazda2 1.5 V-spec is RM80K OTR (but w/o insurance)
Mazda2 1.5 R-spec is RM83K OTR (but w/o insurance)
Fiesta 1.6 Sedan is RM79.9K OTR (estimated price by Ford)
Nationals
Persona 1.6 HL is RM59.5K OTR?
Persona 1.6 ML is RM56K OTR?
Gen2 1.6 HL is RM60.5K OTR?
Waja 1.6 Premium is RM64.9K OTR?
Last but not least..
the NEW Proton Waja ~RM83K?? (which is a threat to almost any non-national car in B & C segment!)
More resources:
China 207 sedan - 360 degree view
http://www.peugeot.c...7/3D/index.html
China 207 sedan specification (in Chinese)
http://www.peugeot.c.../207/table.html
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Posted 28 September 2010 - 02:38 PM
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More shots from this blogger:
http://www.arenakere...hempedak-kedah/
The dark brown looks alright. Maybe dark colours work best with this car. So far spy shots have shown they have red too. And the showroom poster shows silver. Wonder how many other colours there are. But, I think the dark brown so far is the best.
http://www.arenakere...hempedak-kedah/
The dark brown looks alright. Maybe dark colours work best with this car. So far spy shots have shown they have red too. And the showroom poster shows silver. Wonder how many other colours there are. But, I think the dark brown so far is the best.
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Posted 28 September 2010 - 07:23 PM
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QUOTE (intermilan @ Aug 12 2010, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If its from China (as in based on China-market 207 sedan), most probably the Malaysia/ASEAN-market 207 sedan will have similar specifications.
China-market have two version (of the 207 sedan), the Yu Lee and the Pinot version.
POWER SYSTEM
Engine type: Inline four-cylinder, double overhead camshaft (DOHC), Clearance Automatic compensation 16 valve , hydraulic-driven multi-point sequential fuel injection, electronic throttle.
Displacement (cm3/cc): 1587
Compression ratio: 10.5
Rated Power (PS (kW) / rpm): 106 (78) / 5750 (slight de-tuned for China?)
Maximum torque (Nm / rpm): 142/4000 (slight de-tuned for China?)
Transmission: Tiptronic 4-speed
China-market have two version (of the 207 sedan), the Yu Lee and the Pinot version.
POWER SYSTEM
Engine type: Inline four-cylinder, double overhead camshaft (DOHC), Clearance Automatic compensation 16 valve , hydraulic-driven multi-point sequential fuel injection, electronic throttle.
Displacement (cm3/cc): 1587
Compression ratio: 10.5
Rated Power (PS (kW) / rpm): 106 (78) / 5750 (slight de-tuned for China?)
Maximum torque (Nm / rpm): 142/4000 (slight de-tuned for China?)
Transmission: Tiptronic 4-speed
In Chile and Colombia they offer two petrol engines,1.4 and 1.6.
The 1.4 throws out 75hp and has max torque of 117Nm at 3000RPM, Does 0-100km/h in 13.2 seconds and tops out at 168 km/h
The 1.6 shoves 110hp and has a max torque of 146NM at 4000 RPM, does 0-100km/h in 9.8 seconds and tops out at 194km/h.
They have two model options, the XS line and the One line. Colours are Auminium, Grey, Blue, Red and White. Interiors are black. In Chile its a 5 speed manual gearbox, in Colombia I have NFI.
The 207 sedan was introduced in Chile in 2008 and in Colombia in 2009 I believe.
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