[kentie]

It seems like this kit is more viable than converting to NGV. Looking at
the higher cost, inconvenience and space consumption, NGV looses out to
Hydrofuel to some extend. Even better, this kit is said to be a DIY kit. in
terms of RM saved from converting, factor out the conversion cost, take for
example a toyota avanza, rm10 for 180km = RM0.05/km on ngv whereas rm75 for
720km = RM 0.10/km. if you travel 20,000km a year you will only save
RM1,000.00/year on ngv!!! an average unit of Hydrofuel kit is RM 1,200.00 (
but they are charging another RM1,000.00 premium on it) whereas the mixer
type for fuel injection avanza is rm4,400 71L tank and rm6,800.00 for
sequential type 77L tank. the extra money of rm 2,000.00 - 4,500.00 will
not break even in 2-4 years. if the government were to increase the price
on petrol for another 10-20%, then converting NGV might be better solution.

However, for those who are really fancy about fuel saving and power
boosting alternative, statistic shows that hydrogen fuel will boost 10-20%
hp and torque at low rpm while saving petrol. NGV will not experience this.

I am really looking forward for this hydrofuel kit. hopefully the
government will make it affordable to purchase these kit. also, more multi
racial installer are authorised to do the job.

[mroctopus]

Hydrofuel...
i wonder why car manufacturer leader country like Japanese, doesn't border?
Why they come out with Hybrid as oppose to Hydrofuel?

may be it is too troublesome to use, or there's always some weakness
somewhere about hydrofuel? anyone care to explain the theory? One local
professor event stated in newspaper that it can be done with just RM200++..
(home made).

Hydrofuel price RM2K+ for fuel injection car is not worth it for most.
Perhaps taxi can recover the investment quickly but not for family day to
day driving. i don't understand why the 2 different version cost different
almost double (RM1K+ vs RM2K+).

If it is price RM1K+, then it is more affordable and more buyers will
adopt. If there's no economy of scale (no mass production, too expensive),
i afraid hydrofuel may be just another LPG, another failure product.

[bm2]

I have installed this hydrogen kit since last saturday. Below are my
details, I can come back to you with an update once I have used it for a
while. For now, I have only run 300km on it, cannot tell much yet.

Car: 1987 Peugeot 305 GTX
Fuel management: Solex Carburetor
Mileage of the car: >400,000km
Historical fuel consumption stats (average): 9.8 litres / 100km (approx
RM0.265 per km)

Brand of system: Hydrogen Fuel Saver (http://hydrogenfuelsaver.com.my/)
Distributor: Altendis Sdn Bhd (http://www.altendis.com.my/)
Cost of the system: RM1880 incl installation
Compatible engines: petrol or diesel
Fuel savings claimed: up to 30%; my expectation is 20%

Comments from the installer:
1. Due to the age of the car, the effect is likely to come in after 2 or
3 tanks of petrol, when all carbon deposits is burnt off
2. Carburetor engines can achieve better performance in terms of savings
compared to electronically controlled fuel injection engines, because we
can manually adjust the air-fuel mix. For some cars in injection engines,
they can have a separate ECU to overwrite the manufacturer ECU to control
air-fuel mix. **

** Air-fuel mix for most cars are NOT altered, as the HHO gas enters the
engine after the oxygen sensor, air-fuel mix remains status quo. Without
running a leaner fuel, the fuel savings is claimed to come from more
efficient burning of fuel, resulting is better power for the same fuel
burnt, hence a savings from there (this way, in my layman tern, the HHO
is complementing the fuel to allow it to burn more efficiently). However,
when air-fuel mix can be altered to run leaner on fuel, then the HHO can
actually substitute the petrol / diesel as fuel.

I have met one Peugeot / Citroen specialist yesterday whom has installed
the system some time ago, without altering the air fuel mix, he achieved
about 17 - 20% fuel savings; he then added a aftermarket ECU to manually
control the car to run leaner, fuel savings increase to 40%. (I am not
sure if this will damage the engine, I have heard some people saying that
it may, due to possibly overheating on the engine).

Also, Pls visit http://paultan.org/a...-halim-ali-and-
his-hydroxene-water-hydrogen-fuel-device-appears-again/

[Andy214]

Did anyone read Malayskini?

http://malaysiakini.com/news/86393

PM Says this:
Menurutnya, bagi mengurangkan penggantungan kepada petrol dan diesel,
Malaysia tidak boleh lagi menjadi negara pengguna teknologi, tetapi
sebaliknya pencipta teknologi.

"Saya dimaklumkan bahawa teknologi hidrofuel berkesan.
Kerajaan memberi jaminan, teknologi yang berpotensi perlu diberi peluang
untuk berkembang," katanya.

Namun begitu, katanya, banyak penduduk tempatan tidak memberi perhatian
kepada produk dalam negara.

"Ini perangai orang Malaysia, kurang yakin nak beli produk tempatan.
Kalau produk dari negeri orang putih, mereka sokong, mereka beli.

"Oleh itu, kena beri sokongan kepada teknologi tempatan," tambahnya

----------------

What?
PENCIPTA TEKNOLOGI???
PRODUK TEMPATAN???

OMG! That's a BIG Claim~ Obviously he didn't know anything, and he also
dare give "JAMINAN"?

[Mickey]

the videos in YouTube on the interview can be found at these links too



alternatively, search for user=malaysianews

http://www.youtube.c...er/malaysianews

Fuel is still used, but he did not mentioned about long term
usage..anyone knows if
1) Any problem or special care has to be taken?
2) Does the car normal service is really 'normal' after installation?
3) does it have any long term effect? - ie after 1,2,3,etc years.

[Mickey]

BBC news announced in Nov last year that Busses in London that run on
hydrogen will be on roads by 2010.

London Busses to run on Hydrogen Fuel Cell

[jramandus]

bm2, mind asking. Is it true the kit u bought only use a 10-15 amps
current to release a balance HHO as they claim. I'm soo sceptic about it.
If u want broader ur knowledge on HHO thing go to our forum on car
modification/water as your supplement fuel.Read all the threads.

[linchiek]

make your own HHO generator
(HHO also known as Brown's Gas)

http://www.hydrogeng...e.com/home.html
http://hhocheapfuel....n-hho-cell.html
http://waterpoweredc...robooster3.html

[bm2]

jramandus,

I am no technical guy, but yes, they used a machine to sort of like clip
on to the wire connecting to the water tank - it shows 12 or 13 amps.

[spygame]

I too just recently (last Wednesday) had a HHO device installed in my 34
year old citroen cx. It`s too early to say if my mileage will improve, but
what is certain is that, right from the very moment I drove the car out of
the garage, i was blown away. If you`ve ever driven a citroen cx athena,
you`ll agree that the engine is not one of its strogest point; though
torquey, it was loud, rough and a little underpowered.
What I noticed immediately was that the car was less jerky, pinking was
much reduced, and the engine actually felt sweet. I agree that a lot of
these so called gas-saving devices work for most part by behavioural
changes of the driver i.e "wah, feel power, sikit saje press throttle da
jalan", and yes the same probably applies to these `hydroen generators`.
Nope, it didn`t make my car into a super car, but yet, I`m definitely
putting significantly less pressure on the pedal. Another thing about old
CXs is the notoriously recalcitrant ignition. At least mine is. Yes, on
cold mornings I still have to pull the choke to start, but now, I`m not
ashamed to admit, i`ve stopped `praying` for the car to awaken. It just
starts up with minimal cranking in the morning, almost instant fire-ups
when the temperatures` warmer. And yes, no more smoke-screen start-ups in
the morning! I sincerely think it works. At least for carbs. Just my 2 cents...

Anyway, just had a good read about HHO supporters and sceptic on popular
mechanics at
http://www.popularme...rs/4271579.html