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#21
moat

Posted 02 November 2004 - 08:32 PM

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more info, steering wander can be caused by loose joint, so u should check
all joint from steering wheel to the hub connection, but i think its best
to replace the steering damper and check the uj (forward of bulk head to
power assisted steering box, should be 2 of them, in case they r
dangerously loose)

regarding the autobox, pre 94 zf autobox is without much electronic stuff,
but u should reconfirm

bumibersih is busy in terengganu i think, businessman, biasa la :).

#22
bumibersih

Posted 05 November 2004 - 12:08 AM

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Greetings folks,

Sent this via e-mail to you Archimedes but just thot others could share.

Sorry for the long delay. Had net connection problem. Hafta go to cyber
cafes...and it's quite a chore to do it.

I see that most of questions were answered by my kamerad moat. Regarding
the speedometer, there's not much you can do, I guess. I have a 1988
engine transplanted to a 1990 body. The speedometer does not work. From
1990, they've started using the electronic type instead of the cable. If
my 1988 V8 does not match, I dunno how your 1JZ could. One solution, if
that 1JZ is using the cable type, get a pre-1990 speedo meter. It might
just work. In the case of transplanting another classic from the
problematic 2.4l tdi VM to Mitsu's 2.5l 4D-56T, the speedometer works just
fine. I guess, the culprit is that the 1990 (onwards) speedometer was
designed to suit the electronic type.

Regarding RR repairs, stay away from Ismail at Mobil. Had a bad luck
running into him. Maybe OK for others, but not for me. I would suggest
Khidzir 019-3116614. He does not do mods and deals strictly with ori
stuffs. But I guess your steering is still ori stuffs, hence could do with
his service.

The classic RR has what we call "hantu". Once bitten, you're hooked. Of
course you have the quirkiness of the land rover but, the ride is arguably
the best of the 4x4, mechanically, that is. Of course you can't compare
with those air springs, electronically adjusted dampers...etc. Even then,
it could give them a tough fight in this area. For less tha RM40k, you get
a ride from a vehicle that normally cost you 6 figures.
Btw, you might have known that the disco shares the same chassis & simlar
suspension set-up. The ride is similar. Even you can put a disco body on a
classic (SWB) chassis (vice-versa). You might want to consider a 300tdi or
td5 eventually, when you have gotten tired of the 1jz petrol (I can't
imagine you getting tired of the car, just the petrol engine, hehe). Tak
mahal bang... for about RM60k, can get a decent disco 300tdi. Of course
kena masuk klinik for mech check-up dulu la.

Ok then, hope this helps.

Cheers
bumibersih


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Posted 05 November 2004 - 03:49 AM

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bb,
i been studying the lt230 transfer box lately, i found that the newer
electronic speedo have got some sort of transmitter plugged to the speedo
drive on the transfer box. maybe all u need is to buy this thing but cant
confirm due i dun have rr parts catalog.

#24
Archimedes

Posted 11 November 2004 - 07:33 PM

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BB,

Yes, I got the e-mail, and saw this post, too. My turn to apologize for
being late to respond. There was a lightning storm last week, and it blew
out my ADSL modem, wireless router, ethernet card, and PCI slot in my
computer! ARGH! I just managed to get everything replaced and configured
at 1am last night... :(

And yes, Moat has been EXTREMELY helpful (thanks again, Moat), and I now
have a definitive plan of what to do on my trip to KL next week to get
the steering wander sorted out (the highest priority for my Rangie). I'll
give the mechanic you suggested a call after Raya to make an appointment
to see him.

Hmm... not very good news, that, about the difficulties of getting the
speedometer to work. Does your explanation also extend to the handbrake?
That's more of a concern than the speedometer, actually, since I worry
about parking the car on inclines. Also, the speedometer DOES work; it
just doesn't give the correct velocity readings.

As for the "hantu", I was bitten a long time ago, when I got a ride in
one as a kid. I never forgot the sensation, and now I finally have one of
my own! :) Too bad I can't actually afford to have one with the stock V8
motor in it, but hey! who's complaining? :-)

That actually leads me to your next point. I DID actually read somewhere
in this forum about the Classic and Disco sharing the same chassis, etc.
That's actually what led me to call someone on LROM who was advertising
the remains of a Disco half-cut for sale (dash, upholstery, front seats,
etc.) plus the gearbox, torque converter and transfer case off of his '90
Rangie Classic. He'd already changed out that bit with the Disco's.

That was BabyGod, btw... nice guy! Had a nice chat with him. I'm actually
thinking of buying those parts for my Rangie, so I can get a Toyota IKZ
3L turbo diesel engine attached (through an adapter) to the Rangie
gearbox/transfer case (not sure which, exactly), per Moat's explanation
earlier. That would turn the Rangie back to a 4WD for me, and solve my
speedometer and handbrake woes, too! (I hope)

What do you think?

Moat did mention that you have this same scenario on your Rangie? i.e.
non-Rangie motor transplanted, using an adapter to mate it to
transmission? Mind giving some details?

Thanks!

-john

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Posted 13 November 2004 - 11:12 PM

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arch,
regarding the speedo i dunno how the toyotas work, but how "wrong" is the
reading? for landy stuff there is optional gear to correct it (used when
ppl use bigger tyres) maybe something similar exist for toyotas.

regarding gearbox/transfer box, u need both of them, gearbox for gear
selection, transfer box for hi/lo/4wd/speedo/parking brake.

#26
Archimedes

Posted 17 November 2004 - 06:52 PM

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Hi Moat,

The speedometer seems to read much lower velocities than the car is
actually going. At speeds around 100-120kmh, the readings get "slower"
i.e. they plateau out. I don't know about higher speeds because I haven't
driven it faster than that. A bit scary to try, with the steering wander
and all.

Didn't get to replace the steering damper on my last trip to KL, but I'll
do it this Saturday.

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Posted 21 November 2004 - 01:19 PM

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Hi Arch,

Changing the engine would be OK to me. But changing the gearbox would be a
real sacrilege. It ain't a rangie if it ain't a 4wd.

The other rangie's transplant went quite OK, but no air-cond since the
mitsu's engine placement for the compressor is too near to the chassis.
The problem is the gearbox or probably the transfer case. Would try to
sort that problem out in due time. Say are you in KL now? I dunno when I
could go there but sure hope could meet up with ya. I might need to see
that mech (Khidzir) too.

Neeway, just call 0192029020 if you in KL. Might be there, who knows?

Cheers

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Posted 25 November 2004 - 10:38 AM

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oit bb, r u around? this sat 27/11 tak mo butcher rr ko ke? diesel rr tu
still kat subang ke? or nak instant tt kat khidzirs place ngan arch?

#29
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Posted 26 November 2004 - 10:18 PM

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Hi BB & Moat,

ARGH!! Didn't get the chance to get online at all while I was in KL. I
was there the whole of this week. Definitely give you a shout next time
I'm in town (hopefully in 2-3 weeks time). I did meet up briefly with
BabyGod, though.

Hmm... the engine AND gearbox (and transfer case) were already gone when
I bought this Rangie. It's not a 4WD, so not a Rangie in your book, I
guess! :) That's why I've been considering getting the gearbox,
transfer case and torque converter for the Rangie; so I can have them
installed on my Rangie, then drop a 1KZ motor into it, and connect with
adapter to the gearbox/transfer case. That's why I met up with BabyGod,
actually. He has the gearbox/transfer case/torque converter from his '90
Rangie for sale.

I brought my car to Khidzir, and he drove it. He says the steering
is 'light' because my car isn't a 4WD anymore. He let me drive his '93
LSE just to compare, and I see the difference. I would REALLY like to
convert my Rangie back to 4WD after experiencing the ride in his LSE
(AWESOME Rangie, btw!). Khidzir's own recommendation, though, was to
leave it be, because everything works pretty well the way my Rangie is
set up now (as best as can be, anyway, for a Rangie without a handbrake,
ABS, and a ginky speedometer).

I think I'll take his advice for the immediate future.

I'll schedule a trip to Kuching first chance I get, and go talk to the
shop that does the 1KZ conversion, to see what they do exactly. If they
do drop an engine in and connect with an adapter, I'll look to get
BabyGod's gearbox, etc. and do the conversion, finances willing! :)

Say, BB, while I was at Khidzir's, I saw your Rangie with the Mitsu
engine. I'm a bit hazy on the history of that car. Mind giving me the
quick rundown? Looked like a lot of work had gone into it, and it'd seen
some tough places.

I also took the opportunity at Khidzir's to get some minor repairs done
to my Rangie. Rear window absorber arms (wow! expensive!) & misc. odds
and ends in the interior. Is he the best guy to go to for stuff like that
i.e. best price for parts for the interior?

-john

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Posted 29 November 2004 - 01:50 PM

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Rear window absorber arms ? is this the gas strut holding the top rear
door open?

i have no experience with him, but according to bb he prefer original
stuff, so maybe thats why its expensive. u can try calling those spare
parts shop from the spare part site for price comparison. also, bb is
breaking another rr, so lots of item is for sale, contact him direct