[junkomar]

Found this in "Engine Industry News - March 2004" by Power System
Research, while browsing thru my office auto industry library.

§ Mitsubishi Motors, JP - 1.0 MIVEC for the Proton ML S4PH, Gen.2

Seems like the engine code is the same as provided by EON or Proton Edar
in their website. Anybody have info or canshed some light whether this is
true (probably old version) or not?

[dkx]

It is probably true then, what someone whom I believe to be a local
motoring journalist posted long ago somewhere in this forum, that the S4PH
a.k.a. Campro (now used in Gen2 1.6)engine, is based on the 4G18 block &
hence its connection to Mitsubishi Motors.

[AC4BT6]

dkx

How about Campro sharing the outer dimensions with MMC engine? The reason
is, malaysia public has paid for many unwanted and obsolete production
lines from MMC, therefore, they have to maintain similar basic dimensions
like bore to bore pitch, etc.

Look a Campro's block, I wonder if the Lotus design team was brought in
from the 70s or 80s to the 21st century using time machine.

[koolspyda]

the greatest mismanagement that the public will have to swallow la.

Were we hoodwinked???

Like that how to maju? Just change here and there and ta da....

They suck dry lo.

[rikeys]

What new from Proton been cheating us with "See we so dam proud we design
& build this on our own lar statements"

1. Saga - Mitsu
2. Wira - Mitsu
3. Perdana - Mitsu
4. Waja - Mitsu/Renault/NEDCAR
5. Gen2 - Mitsu/Renault
6. Campro - Mitsu/Lotus... LOL!
7. TRM - Renault?
8. SRM - Saya Rasa Mati!

[AC4BT6]

the best thing about mismanaging the public fund is that the person
responsible for mismanagement has nothing to lose but everything to gain.
Where else can you spend and spend on shitty things while at the same
time making tons of money without having to spend a single cent of your
own money. Malaysia boleh!

Oh yeah, MMC figured out that in Japan, to ditch obsolete production
lines cost a lot of money. How about selling the lines to Proton? Ee des
ne!

[junkomar]

In my opinion, engine technology almost matured. So, not easy anymore to
have a "unique" engine design. Even then, Proton should be smart enough to
ensure their engine no not similar to others, otherwise how they want to
protect their Intellectual Property, which need to be protected. IP is the
thing whicjh any company will treasure most.

[rikeys]

Proton where got IP only got CP (Copy Property) LOL!!!!

[BridgestoneRE711]

to develope a total new engine is a huge problem for proton itself . it is
like the platform , where it is a most costly thing for a car , that is why
you can see proton Waja using karisma platform and volvo also using it ,
even the Volkswagon Lupo shares the old platform from the previous 30 years
old car platform .

for proton , the cost to develope a new engine is a very huge problem for
them . please bare in mind that to develope a new engine , you need to
develope a new gearbox too . so far , lotus has no experience (if i am not
mistaken) in developing an engine . the Campro is not actually a 4G18 , but
it is based on it , it takes 4G18 as a learing process .. just like you are
starting a new company , you need to look over the basic from other
sucessors . the CAMPRO is based on 4G18 and it is not fully malaysian made
, the engine block and over all is actually developed under an americian
company with proton . and what lotus did is to tink the engine for an
optimum or to tune the engine for suitable use . Proton did considered to
let lotus tink the SGTi engine but the cost factor will be a big problem .

to start a new platform do costs very very much . CAMPRO with 4G18 as a
direction for them is not a big problem . becasue overall , it is just
based on 4G18 , but the overall engineering process is under proton .

[citronking]

Guys we have been had for years by potong old tech for new m oney
The shocking news is the always say this is new and that is actually
rubbish.
When WAJA was launched they claimed new floorpan and suspension
bullocks, it is actually Mit Carisma/Volvo S40.floorpan and susp.
They ccclaimed gen-2 engine new is actually saga engine block, coz
they have ample saga casting moulds, bored it out to 1.6 and made it
an undersquare engine,worldwide car makers use a square 80-81mm
bore as the perfect size but smart alecs at potong had better ideas
used 70+mm as bore and 80+ as stroke.that's why the power delivery
on a gen-2 is horrible, Head is by lotus made by a aussie company.
Head is good but cannot compete with outdated block.All funding
for motorsport was withdrawn from pert and to be transfered to
TM 's son division 10 mil for him to enjoy that's why Karamjit has no
funding. All should throw out TM x 2 and cronies they suck.