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#21
cygnus

Posted 11 November 2004 - 11:43 PM

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No matter what topic is discussed, it will end up with Proton being the
culprit.

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Posted 12 November 2004 - 02:23 PM

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the sad thing is, no matter how much we complain among ourselves, proton
will choose to ignore almsot all the complaints they receive. No customer
service at all. And no matter how disattisfied we are with proton, most of
us still end up with a national car. Becoz thats the only damn car we can
afford to ferry our family and ourself around. The heck with safety of
passengers.

#23
earthgreen

Posted 29 November 2004 - 11:42 AM

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Car prices are indeed very high in Malaysia , artificially higher than it
can be ... due to the "national" car project as well as other things like
APs which inflate car prices even further. There is an enligthening
article in the Edge this week.

The working class Malaysians have been suffering too long due to high car
instalment relative to thier salary. by doing away with proton and Ap and
relegate to fair competition for car sellers, right away, the average car
instalment will be reduced substantially by 50 to 80% ceteris paribus.

High car prices is one factor why the working class life quality is only
so-so.

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Posted 30 November 2004 - 10:40 PM

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just spoke to someone from india. price of a kancil equivalent starts from
RM10,000. that would be the cost of cars in m'sia if proton is efficient in
producing cars... it's about time people wake up and say that proton was a
bad decision and it's time to cut loss... no point throwing more good money
after bad money... the gamble was lost, the bluff has been called. just
pack up and go home!Angry

#25
GenDua2004

Posted 01 December 2004 - 12:36 AM

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The working class Malaysians have been suffering too long due to high car
instalment relative to thier salary. by doing away with proton and Ap and
relegate to fair competition for car sellers, right away, the average car
instalment will be reduced substantially by 50 to 80% ceteris paribus.

High car prices is one factor why the working class life quality is only
so-so.
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just back from germany two days ago, still suffering from jet-
lag...surprise to see there are 411 forumer still online...

totally agreed with what earthgreen said. just made a market survey in
germany:

income of a young designer, 2 year working experience, salary: Euro 4800
or RM24,000.00
price of the latest peogeot 407 1.8L : Euro 20,990.00 or about 4 month's
pay.

still remember mahatir said before: gaji tinggi tak guna, di europe satu
burger RM10.00, kita gaji kurang tapi burger hanya jual RM1.50. mahatir
bukan belajar ekonomi, cannot blame him.

Peugeot macht den 407 teurer

Um durchschnittlich 1,5 Prozent oder 390 Euro hebt Peugeot die Preise für
die Limousine 407 und den Kombi SW an.
Das Basismodell, der 407 Esplanade 115 mit dem 85 kW/116 PS starken 1,8-
Liter-Benzinmotor ist zukünftig ab 20 990 Euro erhältlich. Den Einstieg
ins Dieselprogramm bildet der Esplanade HDi FAP 110 mit dem 80 kW/109 PS
starken 1,6-Liter-HDi für 22 490 Euro. Beim Kombi startet das Angebot für
den 407 SW 115 ab 22 290 Euro.

http://de.cars.yahoo.../292/4bhmj.html


#26
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Posted 01 December 2004 - 04:18 PM

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Yes, most of the working class in Malaysia are slaves to Proton. Just met
a young relative the other day. He is only earning RM 1,400 per month and
over RM 600 of that goes to servicing his Proton Wira car loan. If he was
not staying with his parents, I dun think he can survive!


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Posted 02 December 2004 - 11:44 AM

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It is really important for most Malaysians now to buckle up and be more
sensible with their own financial commitment. The very fact that will not
change for now is that most Malaysians do not really have consumer freedom
and rights. The freedom and the right to choose what brand of products we
wish to buy without committing to unreasonable financial agreement and most
importantly, the inferior quality of products. This is a universally
recognized right and freedom but it is a saddening fact that most
Malaysians are denied of such right and freedom in today's world when
everbody around the planet is talking about free trade zone and globalization.

Frankly speaking, most average Joes does not really mind if this freedom
does not exists in Malaysia, provided that the brand of products that are
within their financial reach are not inferior in quality. Simple as that.
They are not even debating on the aging technology that is embedded into
their product compared to other brand of product since not many uncle and
auntie knows about it. And we are not even considering about the product's
after-purchased service and warranty. Just a good QUALITY product, simple
as abc.

After almost two long decades of protectionism of certain brand of products
within the country, Malaysians have had enough. And Malaysians are getting
smarter now because more Malaysians are highly educated, having more
freedom in accessing uncontrollable media such as Internet, and more of
them have experienced the life outside Malaysia. These Malaysians have seen
the outside world, seeing other people having the right to choose and most
important of all, being competitive and enforcing meritocracy.

What is equally mind-boggling is the fact the most people continue to
support this kind of protectionism. With attractive financial loan plan
that could stretch on to more than 7 ludicrous years and low downpayment,
who will not succumbed to such interesting ploy? This unhealthily lure more
working-class citizens earning a salary below affordable line, to buy their
product. This in turn "forcing" them to service a unreasonably long
installment plan that can goes on to several years. This kind of commitment
also squezzing their pocket to a level where they could not spend on other
more important thing in life such as healthcare, food and education. This
is indeed very dangerous considering the fact that most people have ignored
their very basic quality of life and paying something that does not seems
to worth the price with their paltry income.

In short, although most people do not have the freedom to choose the brand
of product to buy, they can still choose not to buy at all. This is also
another consumer right that is still stood tall. Malaysians also have the
right not to buy new products, they can choose to buy second-hand products
from other reputable brand. In the end, this means we need to be more
financial consious and invest more on other things which have longer term
benefits such as healthcare, life insurance and housing in facing an
uncertain future.

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Posted 02 December 2004 - 03:06 PM

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i could not have put it any better than you. you r right, malaysians are
forced into entering long-term financial commitment just to own a car .
the fact that most people have to slave away some years of their life to
pay for the over priced car is somehow lost on them . we have lose the
basic right to choose our purchases and have to contend with lower specs
or quality . for example, comparing a new car sold here and overseas , we
will be getting the lower specs like no ABS, no air bag , lower engine
capacity but at higher prices ! somehow, over the years most people have
been brainwashed or simply resigned to fate that car prices are
reasonable .

each day poton is around , more and more waste is generated .. thnak
goodness for those korean cars , although not really cheap in the true
sense due to unfair duties/taxes , they are giving poton a run for the
money and better choices for us .



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Posted 04 December 2004 - 11:23 PM

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This is a universally
recognized right and freedom but it is a saddening fact that most
Malaysians are denied of such right and freedom in today's world when
everbody around the planet is talking about free trade zone and
globalization.
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in old british days the ang moh paid you rm10/month, you paid rm1 for a
tin or british made condensed milk. the japanese can sell the same type
of milk at rm0.10 a tin but was not allow to bring in without british's
AP. this is colonialism.

after 47 years of merdeka, malaysian still live like a colonial. we are
rejected the right of getting cheap and good cars from outside.

today you hear people say 'thanks to the korean for their less expensive
and good quality cars'. ha! since when korean became our savior and who
is next to come to our rescue.

i sincerely hope the next hero to save us is Pak Lah or other malaysian
hero, definitely not the korean or thai or indon or chinese...

#30
AE101rulez

Posted 05 December 2004 - 09:33 AM

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Malaysia bolehmah...