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Hyundai Sued For Manipulating Fuel Efficiency


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 09:13 PM

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QUOTE (jolokia @ Apr 7 2013, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
35% ? Let me guess, hmm another base less comment ? If u r getting lousy FC get a night shift job instead. Lol... smile_cool.gif



well, it;s not short, but simple enough for simpleton like you to understand?...I'll just republish it here in case u r too stupid to Google it! http://www.consumera...economy-ratings

EPA Fuel Economy Ratings Have Shortfalls Of Up To 50 Percent
Window Stickers Vastly Overstate MPG,Consumer ReportsStudy Finds
09/14/2005 | ConsumerAffairs


Fuel economy tests conducted by Consumer Reports show that government figures posted on new-car window stickers can have shortfalls of up to 50 percent, according to an investigation published in the October issue of Consumer Reports magazine.
Hybrid cars and the diesel version of one small SUV are among the worst offenders, costing consumers hundreds of dollars more in fuel per year than they were led to believe.

In a study of 303 cars and trucks, model-years 2000 to 2006, Consumer Reports found that shortfalls in miles per gallon (mpg) occurred in 90 percent of the vehicles tested. The largest discrepancies involved city driving, with some models falling short of claimed mpg by 35 to 50 percent (see table).

Ironically, hybrids, whose selling point is fuel thriftiness, had some of the biggest disparities with fuel economy, averaging 19 mpg below Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) city ratings. On average, our highway mpg more closely reflected the EPA rating. Still, hybrids won three of the best five spots for overall mpg in the magazine's testing.

"Current EPA figures are definitely misleading and ultimately expensive for consumers," said David Champion, Senior Director of Consumer Reports' Auto Test Center. The magazine attributes the problem to the use of the EPA's outdated testing procedures, dating back to the 1973 oil embargo, which don't account for the increased drive time spent in dense traffic and faster highway speeds on today's roads.

The EPA also allows car manufacturers to use for testing purposes hand-built prototype vehicles and the most favorable test conditions for maximum fuel economy, yielding results that are nearly impossible for consumers to achieve.

By contrast, Consumer Reports buys new cars and trucks anonymously from dealerships and uses special test equipment to accurately gauge real-world fuel economy using public roads and the test track on its 327-acre test facility in East Haddam, Connecticut.

"Just one in ten of the vehicles we tested achieved fuel economies as good as or better than EPA estimates," Champion said. For consumers, the news means that their vehicles typically cost hundreds more per year to operate than they were led to believe. Put another way, when gas in August hit $2.37 per gallon, the mpg shortchange effectively boosted the price for some motorists to $3.13 per gallon.

Assuming 12,000 miles per year of driving over five years and no further increases in gas prices, Consumer Reports figures show it will cost Dodge Ram 1500 pickup truck owners $2,558 more in fuel than the EPA estimates, $1,742 more for Mercury Grand Marquis owners and $1,316 more for Nissan Quest owners.

Findings
Here are some of the test results reported by Consumer Reports.



SMALL SUV - Jeep Liberty Diesel Ltd. (4WD)
EPA CITY MPG: 22
CR CITY MPG: 11
EPA SHORTFALL: 50 percent

HYBRID - Honda Civic Sedan
EPA CITY MPG: 48
CR CITY MPG: 26
EPA SHORTFALL: 46 percent

LARGE SEDAN - Chrysler 300C
EPA CITY MPG: 17
CR CITY MPG: 10
EPA SHORTFALL: 41 percent

MIDSIZED SUV - Chevrolet TrailBlazer EXT LT (4WD)
EPA CITY MPG: 15
CR CITY MPG: 9
EPA SHORTFALL: 40 percent

MINIVAN - Honda Odyssey EX
EPA CITY MPG: 20
CR CITY MPG: 12
EPA SHORTFALL: 40 percent

LUXURY SEDAN - BMW 745Li
EPA CITY MPG: 18
CR CITY MPG: 11
EPA SHORTFALL: 39 percent

PICKUP - Dodge Ram 1500 SLT (crew cab, 4WD)
EPA CITY MPG: 13
CR CITY MPG: 8
EPA SHORTFALL: 38 percent

FAMILY SEDAN - Oldsmobile Alero GL
EPA CITY MPG: 21
CR CITY MPG: 13
EPA SHORTFALL: 38 percent

LARGE SUV - Dodge Durango Limited (4WD)
EPA CITY MPG: 13
CR CITY MPG: 8
EPA SHORTFALL: 38 percent

SMALL SEDAN - Ford Focus ZX4 SES
EPA CITY MPG: 26
CR CITY MPG: 17
EPA SHORTFALL: 35 percent

and that was as far back as 2005, nothing has changed!!


.....mostly due to heavy right foot??? smile_cool.gif

Ford has been on the defensive, claiming some of its customers actually get more than 47mpg. It is all a matter of driving style, the company says.

True enough. Sudden acceleration and heavy braking can reduce fuel economy by as much as 33% on the open road, and up to 5% in cities. Keeping the air-conditioning on when it is not needed can add 5%-25% to the fuel bill. Making short trips, especially in cool weather when the engine never gets warm enough to function properly, will burn 10%-15% more fuel. http://english.cw.co...n=show&id=14040

some more???...

“Around town – which is where most of these vehicles will spend their days – the fuel consumption will be over 18L/100km. That’s nearly 60 percent higher than the so-called average figure quoted by the government.” http://www.caradvice...ccurate-report/


and finally....

Individual driving style can cause the second biggest variation, lowering fuel efficiency by up to 18 percent. Edmunds testing supports these conclusions. "Calm" drivers, those motorists who don't accelerate constantly and who avoid unnecessary lane changes, get 35 percent better fuel economy than other drivers. 1115.gif http://autos.yahoo.c...-175746134.html
1,463,700 Scoville heat units.....can u feel the burn?

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 09:45 PM

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Ngghh... How did they conduct consumer repor smile_big.gif t FC test ? Base on 2 ltr run till engine stalled method or peak hour Gombak Cheras test ?? smile_tongue.gif

http://www.consumerr...onomy/index.htm

Seem like Korean isn't very impressive in term of Fuel Consumption, only Santa Fe able to end up in top 3 mid size SUV, Elantra & Forte end up bottom of the chart.
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 10:58 AM

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QUOTE (jolokia @ Apr 7 2013, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ngghh... How did they conduct consumer repor smile_big.gif t FC test ? Base on 2 ltr run till engine stalled method or peak hour Gombak Cheras test ?? smile_tongue.gif

http://www.consumerr...onomy/index.htm

Seem like Korean isn't very impressive in term of Fuel Consumption, only Santa Fe able to end up in top 3 mid size SUV, Elantra & Forte end up bottom of the chart.


still complain>?.. smile_angry.gif .....maybe tests were infected, lol. 059.gif
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:28 AM

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The EPA testing procedure was formulated in 1973 and has not changed. smile_tongue.gif It's a no-brainer to say any consumer or other "real world" tests subsequently and recently are bound to be more "accurate"! smile_big.gif
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 01:05 PM

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QUOTE (kaylcar @ Apr 8 2013, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
still complain>?.. smile_angry.gif .....maybe tests were infected, lol. 059.gif



QUOTE (kaylcar @ Apr 8 2013, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The EPA testing procedure was formulated in 1973 and has not changed. smile_tongue.gif It's a no-brainer to say any consumer or other "real world" tests subsequently and recently are bound to be more "accurate"! smile_big.gif



Look like a cover up for repeat posting here, Yes ? smile_wink.gif

For me is very simple if you can't afford a little difference in FC then don't drive a car get a kapcai or take public transport.

Only Asylum fugitive Jayraptor is so naive to believe lightfoot challenge can be repeated in real world smile_big.gif
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:27 PM

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QUOTE (jolokia @ Apr 8 2013, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Look like a cover up for repeat posting here, Yes ? smile_wink.gif

For me is very simple if you can't afford a little difference in FC then don't drive a car get a kapcai or take public transport.

Only Asylum fugitive Jayraptor is so naive to believe lightfoot challenge can be repeated in real world smile_big.gif


iPhone5 buttons misbehaving!

oh oh, what is this? Suddenly a little difference in FC doesn't matter? What about all the "kelentong" from you before on this rolleyes.gif ?

you shouldn't mock the afflicted....it's what playground bullies do....are you a playground bully? smile_big.gif
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:52 PM

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QUOTE (kaylcar @ Apr 8 2013, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
iPhone5 buttons misbehaving!

oh oh, what is this? Suddenly a little difference in FC doesn't matter? What about all the "kelentong" from you before on this rolleyes.gif ?

you shouldn't mock the afflicted....it's what playground bullies do....are you a playground bully? smile_big.gif


U mean Playground Guli ?

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I though that's between us Asylum Old Lags. laugh.gif
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 06:57 PM

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QUOTE (jolokia @ Apr 8 2013, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
U mean Playground Guli ?

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I though that's between us Asylum Old Lags. laugh.gif


well, if you are both from the Asylum, so be it.....! 1237.gif
Good luck! teu30.gif
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 05:28 PM

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QUOTE (jolokia @ Apr 5 2013, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Let just sticked to the initial statement of 1.25ltr i10 can't beat 1.5ltr City in FC. smile_approve.gif

As far as i can remember Euro NCAP never stated on kerb weight. ?? smile_big.gif


You agreed means you take FC reading from Korean car revving at 4000rpm vs Japanese car revving at 2000rpm average. Why you can't take both cars revving around similar engine speed? Just 1 reason - too hunger for winning through unfair competition.

Fyi, your Almera rev at 4000rpm average would get poorer FC than D-segment 2.0L revving at 2000rpm average.

Almera is no match against i10 in FC and handling. You will turn turtle or lost control in Almera easily but not the i10.

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 06:02 PM

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QUOTE (jayraptor @ Apr 13 2013, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You agreed means you take FC reading from Korean car revving at 4000rpm vs Japanese car revving at 2000rpm average. Why you can't take both cars revving around similar engine speed? Just 1 reason - too hunger for winning through unfair competition.

Fyi, your Almera rev at 4000rpm average would get poorer FC than D-segment 2.0L revving at 2000rpm average.

Almera is no match against i10 in FC and handling. You will turn turtle or lost control in Almera easily but not the i10.

Aiyoyo ur i10 need to rev to 4000rpm to jalan one ah ? No wonder lah so many complain the car spoilt easily, what nonsense lah U !

Please stick to this statement i10 1.25 ltr can't beat City 1.5 in FC, don't drift else where.

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Consumer right FC figure already shown ur kimchi cart is at the bottom of the list, no wonder need to cheat through false ads. smile_disapprove.gif
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