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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:19 PM

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Toyota set to overtake Syed Mokhtar’s Proton



KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 11 — At its peak, four of every five cars sold in Malaysia was a Proton, but the carmaker is now in danger of slipping into third spot in sales behind Toyota and Perodua, the second national car company that has ruled the roost for over six years.
Industry sources told The Edge newspaper in an article published today that Proton saw its market share slip in December 2012 to just 17.7 per cent, with Toyota now a close third at 17.1 per cent share of passenger vehicle sales in the country.

“Perodua (Perusahaan Otomobil Kedua Sdn Bhd) is the runway market leader while Proton over the last few years has been a strong second. Now Toyota is closing in on Proton’s position,” an unnamed executive told the financial daily.

Proton is controlled by Tan Sri Syed Mokhtar Al-Bukhary’s DRB-Hicom.

Industry executives told the financial daily that Proton’s sales fell by over 11 per cent to 140,000 units from 158,000 units a year earlier, missing the company’s target of 200,000 units by a wide margin.

Proton was established by Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad in 1983 and became a poster child of the former prime minister’s industrialisation policies.

Dr Mahathir had made it patriotic to buy a Proton, but the company has seen its sales slump in the last decade due to increasing liberalisation of the Malaysian market.

In the early days, Protons were rebadged models from technical partner Mitsubishi’s older range, which provided a solid foundation for the fledgling automaker but also limited its ability to innovate.

It later succeeded in developing its own vehicle platforms independent of the Japanese carmaker but has since gone back to the practice of rebadging with the Inspira, which is based on the Mitsubishi Lancer.

Malaysians were also unhappy with being able to afford only Protons as a result of protectionist taxes and duties meant to shield the carmaker in its early years but later became indefinite.

The backlash following the relaxation of vehicle import and local assembly rules saw buyers abandon the local manufacturer for the increasingly abundant range of foreign makes.

According to The Edge, Proton’s lack of new models bar one for 2013 will also put it under added pressure this year, given the growingly competitive market.

http://www.themalays...okhtars-proton/
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 03:58 PM

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There is nothing to be celebrated in that story. It's a total failure of a brand which represents Malaysia to the world. Blame the cronies, blame the workers, blame the government, blame the buyers, blame whoever you want but the complete failure of Proton over the last 25 years reflects on every Malaysian.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 04:50 PM

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QUOTE (roocarroll @ Jan 12 2013, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There is nothing to be celebrated in that story. It's a total failure of a brand which represents Malaysia to the world. Blame the cronies, blame the workers, blame the government, blame the buyers, blame whoever you want but the complete failure of Proton over the last 25 years reflects on every Malaysian.

Most of all blame our own self for unable to be patriotic like the Korean & Japanese buying their own national car when foreigners laughed at their car back then. smile_approve.gif

People blaming corruption don't mind paying "tolong" tips to avoid getting "saman".

Merchant blaming cronyism don't mind when they getting their business out knowing who & who ?

When a company failed it has nothing to do with the staff & every things to do with the management/CEO ?

Quite sured if the Korean cheers their national car failed back then T,H & N, conti & american car will filled their road today, or Japanese cheers the failures of the car back in the 60's they would be driving Ford, GM, Chrysler today.

Oh yes the Brits did cheer the failure of their national car that why all their car brand belong to foreigners including 3rd world nation like us.
smile_approve.gif

In fact we should cheers when the company we work with or own, when it's business went bad or loss to rival co. too ?


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:19 PM

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eg. Sykt cermin kereta Keyikar staff Jeireptor should cheers when customer not buying CCC compatible windshield, then he should blame his boss AYip for bringing china windshield which he need to put more effort "infecting" customer, then when company unable to give bonus & increament due to less sales he blame it on his boss AYip again, so till the day the company go chapter 11 they he still blaming, if he would put more effort "infecting" customer on CCC windshield or even used it himself to convince other customer, surely the sales will pick up, he would have getting his promotion, then Sykt Keyikar would as success like Holokiya Corp smile_tongue.gif
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:22 PM

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QUOTE (jolokia @ Jan 12 2013, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
eg. Sykt cermin kereta Keyikar staff Jeireptor should cheers when customer not buying CCC compatible windshield, then he should blame his boss AYip for bringing china windshield which he need to put more effort "infecting" customer, then when company unable to give bonus & increament due to less sales he blame it on his boss AYip again, so till the day the company go chapter 11 they he still blaming, if he would put more effort "infecting" customer on CCC windshield or even used it himself to convince other customer, surely the sales will pick up, he would have getting his promotion, then Sykt Keyikar would as success like Holokiya Corp smile_tongue.gif
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Stupid Singaporean ass, u know nuts about Patriotism like u know nuts about cars. Proton had 75% of local market but took the wrong strategy never concentrating on quality for export markets. You blame buyers for deserting proton for other brands but which cronies are AP kings, stupid ass. Read the link you posted you thick b*****d on Protons failures u will see the shit that you Troll smile_approve.gif

Ps.... Got plenty good quality Cina w/screen for Iswara, lol smile_tongue.gif
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:49 PM

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Korean & Japanese cars are recognised world wide. Toyota is the top selling cars in the world. The American are buying the Korean cars...

But, would you think the American or anyone in the world would like to buy a Proton?? why? Because Proton is NATO (no action, talk only) It has been talking so much... promising so much... but look at it.. how much has the improvement done to the cars its make?? How many years does Proton still need?? After 20 years of driving Proton, one sudah feed-up... NATO!! Not like the Japanese & Korean... always keep on improving, willing to change and make a better car.

That's what make Toyota today... if Toyota is NATO, it will be another Proton. But Toyota is not NATO, that's why it become the top selling cars in the world.

Even Chinese cars are making much improvement compared to the time when they are first launched!

UBAH-LAH !!!








QUOTE (jolokia @ Jan 12 2013, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Most of all blame our own self for unable to be patriotic like the Korean & Japanese buying their own national car when foreigners laughed at their car back then. smile_approve.gif

People blaming corruption don't mind paying "tolong" tips to avoid getting "saman".

Merchant blaming cronyism don't mind when they getting their business out knowing who & who ?

When a company failed it has nothing to do with the staff & every things to do with the management/CEO ?

Quite sured if the Korean cheers their national car failed back then T,H & N, conti & american car will filled their road today, or Japanese cheers the failures of the car back in the 60's they would be driving Ford, GM, Chrysler today.

Oh yes the Brits did cheer the failure of their national car that why all their car brand belong to foreigners including 3rd world nation like us.
smile_approve.gif

In fact we should cheers when the company we work with or own, when it's business went bad or loss to rival co. too ?


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:54 PM

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No, Proton don't represent every single Malaysian smile_angry.gif

The Proton failure is due to the leader - NATO - Talk too much but no action. Look at those promised Proton make, has it fulfilled any of them??

Better for it to bungkus, and the factory start assembling Volkswagon lah smile_clown.gif


QUOTE (roocarroll @ Jan 12 2013, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There is nothing to be celebrated in that story. It's a total failure of a brand which represents Malaysia to the world. Blame the cronies, blame the workers, blame the government, blame the buyers, blame whoever you want but the complete failure of Proton over the last 25 years reflects on every Malaysian.


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 10:57 PM

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QUOTE (rx330 @ Jan 12 2013, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, Proton don't represent every single Malaysian smile_angry.gif

The Proton failure is due to the leader - NATO - Talk too much but no action. Look at those promised Proton make, has it fulfilled any of them??

Better for it to bungkus, and the factory start assembling Volkswagon lah smile_clown.gif

U R merely looking at the successful story of korean for the last 10 years or Japanese car for the last 40 years, since P1 merely start in the 80's compare to Korean car in the 60's & Japanese car in the 40's, which mean the Korean r 20 years & Japanese r 40 years ahead of us, moreover South korea population r 2X & Japan population r 5X of ours, which able create a much bigger local market.

Even the american & many conti car which have much longer history, r no match to Japanese & Korean, U expect we r to equal them ?

I am not saying it wasn't P1 own fault & mistake, I am asking why can't Malaysian supporting National car like them ? I doulb u would want a korean car in 1993 or Japanese car in 1973, but the Korean & Japanese give full support to their national car back then when it's like a jokes to foreigner.

In fact the entire news article have hidden agenda or what Jayraptor would call it "Infected", why would they need to mention Syed Mokhtar Proton, I don't see people calling Chung's Hyundai or Akio's Toyota, usually they would refer it as South Korean Hyundai or Japanese Toyota so why not Malaysian Proton, then again I am not surprised since it is a opposition friendly politics news portal.


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Posted 13 January 2013 - 02:20 PM

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QUOTE (jolokia @ Jan 12 2013, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
U R merely looking at the successful story of korean for the last 10 years or Japanese car for the last 40 years, since P1 merely start in the 80's compare to Korean car in the 60's & Japanese car in the 40's, which mean the Korean r 20 years & Japanese r 40 years ahead of us, moreover South korea population r 2X & Japan population r 5X of ours, which able create a much bigger local market.

Even the american & many conti car which have much longer history, r no match to Japanese & Korean, U expect we r to equal them ?

I am not saying it wasn't P1 own fault & mistake, I am asking why can't Malaysian supporting National car like them ? I doulb u would want a korean car in 1993 or Japanese car in 1973, but the Korean & Japanese give full support to their national car back then when it's like a jokes to foreigner.

In fact the entire news article have hidden agenda or what Jayraptor would call it "Infected", why would they need to mention Syed Mokhtar Proton, I don't see people calling Chung's Hyundai or Akio's Toyota, usually they would refer it as South Korean Hyundai or Japanese Toyota so why not Malaysian Proton, then again I am not surprised since it is a opposition friendly politics news portal.


jokerkia, the ultimate fighting fool! Maybe because you reside in Singaland is the reason you have no idea about Proton's history? There are many structural reasons for why Proton was doomed to be a failure from the start, no matter how much "patriotism" was applied to consumer choice. Go read and educate yourself. You think the Koreans just pulled good products out of their ass? Samsung's success was from patriotism?...
You answered your own question, like a fool, .....the reason Malaysian choose not to support National car any more is BECAUSE it was P1's own fault and mistake. How much more stewpit can you get? smile_tongue.gif
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:08 AM

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QUOTE (rx330 @ Jan 12 2013, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, Proton don't represent every single Malaysian smile_angry.gif

The Proton failure is due to the leader - NATO - Talk too much but no action. Look at those promised Proton make, has it fulfilled any of them??

Better for it to bungkus, and the factory start assembling Volkswagon lah smile_clown.gif


If the same situation existed at Toyota or Honda, do you think the Japanese workers would follow along like lemmings to their doom?

Japanese companies are successful because their people (both inside and outside the company) demand a higher standard of themselves and others. It's the same for German companies. Do you think a German company would ever produce a shit car like the Juara?