[feelfree]

Thanks for posting here. The bunch don't be too happy yet regarding Hyundai-Kia lawsuit on FC claim.

Fyi, all manufacturers FC claim posted 1-2MPG more than actual all these while as per in US EPA rating when compared to actual FC reading achieved by US automotive consumer groups. Only Hyundai-Kia had to post correct FC at the moment because of lawsuit from 3 buyers. Other carmakers too are at risk hoping and praying hard that their buyers would not bring this to court. If they do and won, T, H and N with even larger buyers would risk paying out even more. Good thing about this lawsuit is that we get more accurate FC reading from EPA and manufacturers.

Elantra claimed 29mpg (12.3km/L) city and 40mpg (17km/L) cruising at 55mph (90km/h) on highway with less traffic + driver only.

Elantra actual with real city traffic + start stop, brake, loaded, etc corrected to 28mpg (11.9km/L) city and 38mpg (16.2km/L) highway as similar to consumer guide groups reading. The difference is only at mere 0.4km/L city and less than 1km/L highway and already entitled to lawsuit.



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Jolokia and bunch would want to pray hard too as you bunch made even more exaggerated official FC claim. Sylphy 16km/L city driving 37MPG (16km/L), X-Gear city 35.2mpg (15km/L), Teana city 30mpg (13km/L) and tricked so many into buying. Is this even more worst than actual?

The Elantra's manufacturer's claim is still achievable with less traffic but yours is totally ridiculous. Also to add in, how about irresponsible infected journalists that posted exaggerated claim that they mentioned clearly on their result that they could easily overachieved manufacturer's already never exceed claim? If posted wrong misleading figure liable to defamation by carcompany, then to consumers, is it liable to cheating buyers via infected accomplice?

Jaykentut, don't fooling around at here, we are at here discussing something very serious one, if you wanna join in, please provide the "real statement", we would not accept any statement that is from your own imagination! And pls, wanna kentut, please go away from here.

[wheeLSpin]

more news over here :

http://money.cnn.com...ated/index.html


from this article it seems sonata and optima k5 not affected.

[jolokia]

What a rancid stink your comments make, ...the adjustment on FC is 1-2 mpg across the range of Hyundai/Kia whereas the Honda lawsuit was a 10 mpg exaggeration! Honda also offered to settle with financial compensations and big discounts on new cars with owners. Who is doing the whitewash now?
You cannot deny your "personal agenda" so I would advise you bugger off together with your other buddies here who don't drive Korean cars.

FYI Honda had overturn the case, ur dated info expired since May.

http://articles.lati...-claim-20120510

Better find another bandage to cover ur reeking wounds, u & ur handful of ragtags bugger off.

[jolokia]

Have you tried taking it back to the SC to get it checked? If you don't have one I can recommend an indie dealer and SC who will sort out your problems. You should be getting more than 7km/l, mine will average 11km/l, and most of that is town driving.

If you don't care about other makes, will you be making the same grumbles when you change cars and are disappointed with the FC?

just curious tho'...you mentioned this Sonata is your company car, your Boss buy 2 of them and both have the same FC. Don't you get company car expenses on the fuel that you use? Here's an interesting thought, some of our employees were putting in very high mileage/petrol expenses claims on their company cars...wah such high FC??. .....just wondering!

The is limit in any company emplyee fuel claim, unless ur boss happen to be ur hubby/bf/SugarDad, it all depend on the load as well as traffic condition, those "senang" people sure not need to go thru morning rush hour & can go off before the jam, maybe u should Let them to eat brioche cake upon learning that the peasants had no bread like Queen Marie Antoinette

[kaylcar]

FYI Honda had overturn the case, ur dated info expired since May.

http://articles.lati...-claim-20120510

Better find another bandage to cover ur reeking wounds, u & ur handful of ragtags bugger off.

excuse me dumbass, try to be less selective in your assumptions.....

"But her action prompted others to seek similar recourse, and as a result Honda has had to defend or is still facing at least 36 lawsuits in Small Claims Court over its fuel-economy claims for the Civic in jurisdictions from New Bedford, Mass., to St. Louis to Multnomah County in Oregon and Arlington, Wash."

the actions in the small claims courts prohibits Honda lawyers from defending the case, so legal bullies unable to champion Honda's deceit?

enjoy your rancid defeat!

[kaylcar]

The is limit in any company emplyee fuel claim, unless ur boss happen to be ur hubby/bf/SugarDad, it all depend on the load as well as traffic condition, those "senang" people sure not need to go thru morning rush hour & can go off before the jam, maybe u should Let them to eat brioche cake upon learning that the peasants had no bread like Queen Marie Antoinette

so you reveal your fuel expense fiddle??
why you answering on kapitan's behalf, is that your AW alter-ego?
now bugger off!

[jayraptor]

Please stop bringing other makers into comparison. Who cares?

Hyundai should just compensate everyone on this. Im averaging <7km/l on my Hyundai Sonata. That just sucks.

kapitan,
That is 1 lousy lie. If you are talking about the Sonata 2.0, since US don't have 2.0 non turbo variant, you could refer those with similar engine as per consumer groups actual results:
- The heavier Sportage/Tucson 2.0L with SUV aerodynamic could still get 21/22mpg (8.9-9.4km/L) in city traffic.
- Forte 2.0 with older single VVT engine + 6AT could still achieve healthy 27mpg (11.5km/L) city and 37mpg (15.7km/L) highway

If you wanted to talk about Sonata 2.4:
As per EPA and consumer groups actual result 23mpg (9.8km/L) city and 35mpg(14.9km/L) highway and average 28.8mpg(12.2km/L)

So what are you trying to say here? These consumer groups tested results are on actual road, not related to manufacturer's claim and the result is considered 1 of best in class. You wanted to talk about the lawsuit, the Sonata is not even involved. It was the Elantra, Veloster and Rio with FC difference of 1-2MPG.

If you wanted to compare to the heavy rare heavier 1470kg Teana 2.0, it should get worse FC than lighter <1300kg US Sentra with superior engine + EGR and more aerodynamic platform is achieving only average (10.7km/L)25.1MPG in actual result wheras EPA claim is 27mpg (11.5km/L)city and 34mpg(14.5km/L)highway. You don't find actual FC reading in AW because the owners chose to keep quiet as there is nothing to shout about its FC. Only the bunch of N-brand staff that posted exaggerated 30mpg(13km/L) highway FC as the city FC. If that is the case, how come the Teana didn't get best FC title in Australia where it was rated to have worse FC than Mazda6, Sonata/Optima and Mondeo?

[jayraptor]

Jaykentut, don't fooling around at here, we are at here discussing something very serious one, if you wanna join in, please provide the "real statement", we would not accept any statement that is from your own imagination! And pls, wanna kentut, please go away from here.

You are the one not sticking to topic. The US consumer rights groups actually posted the actual result way before the lawsuit and confirmed the difference is just mere 1-2mpg when compared to manufacturer's claim. The same result was taken on other brand cars as well when compared to the respective manufacturer's claim that are 1-2mpg higher.

Wow, the same N-brand marketing group that came up with exaggerated N-brand FC claim actually posted the Hyundai-Kia lawsuit that posted FC claim of 1-2mpg higher than actual road result with loaded passenger and heavier city traffic attempted to bring down Hyundai-Kia. If you don't know, Nissan US and other Japanese brands management are praying hard that their consumers would not do the same as their FC claim too are 1-2mpg higher than results achieved by several consumer groups.

Let's see, you claimed Sylphy city FC is 16km/L (37.6mpg) as per your official ad vs real result is 8.9-9km/L (20-21mpg)city driving. That is difference of 7-7.1km/L (16.6-17.6mpg) which is way serious offense. I might not have the ad and article with me but your competitors do keep them. When they establish automotive consumer group locally, that could land you on hotsoup. If newspaper posted misleading info (adverse of favourable) is liable to lawsuit, then magazines articles too is not exempted if they violated information rights which is misleading to readers aka consumers. Infected journalists still wanted to play with fire?

[ckl050877]

Nothing to argue about the fuel consumption. It is all depend how do you drive your car. The same car, my wife can go around 620km for full tank but I can only go for 500km. It is more than 20% difference.

[feelfree]

You are the one not sticking to topic. The US consumer rights groups actually posted the actual result way before the lawsuit and confirmed the difference is just mere 1-2mpg when compared to manufacturer's claim. The same result was taken on other brand cars as well when compared to the respective manufacturer's claim that are 1-2mpg higher.

Wow, the same N-brand marketing group that came up with exaggerated N-brand FC claim actually posted the Hyundai-Kia lawsuit that posted FC claim of 1-2mpg higher than actual road result with loaded passenger and heavier city traffic attempted to bring down Hyundai-Kia. If you don't know, Nissan US and other Japanese brands management are praying hard that their consumers would not do the same as their FC claim too are 1-2mpg higher than results achieved by several consumer groups.

Let's see, you claimed Sylphy city FC is 16km/L (37.6mpg) as per your official ad vs real result is 8.9-9km/L (20-21mpg)city driving. That is difference of 7-7.1km/L (16.6-17.6mpg) which is way serious offense. I might not have the ad and article with me but your competitors do keep them. When they establish automotive consumer group locally, that could land you on hotsoup. If newspaper posted misleading info (adverse of favourable) is liable to lawsuit, then magazines articles too is not exempted if they violated information rights which is misleading to readers aka consumers. Infected journalists still wanted to play with fire?

Jaykentut, I told you already, when you talk something, please show us the evidence, not only bullshit, the 1-2 mpg is only your imagination when they are talking 2-6 mpg. One more thing I feel really funny of you, the Sylphy 16km/l quoted by tan Chong 3 years ago, it was full highway drive with 90km/h, and those media including autocar mentioned it is achievable, and now the only person still barking non stop is you, Jaykentut.